A ladder test gone wrong?

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Tim N
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A ladder test gone wrong?

#1 Postby Tim N » Fri Nov 19, 2021 1:20 pm

Hi All
I was testing a new barrel this week with some different components and thought I’d try a ladder test.
7saum at 900 yds
Load - 180 hyb with 2209 55.3 to 56.5 in .3 gn increments.
My issue with the test was the last 4 went into approx 1”
Weird hey
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Re: A ladder test gone wrong?

#2 Postby Peterla » Fri Nov 19, 2021 3:03 pm

Hi Tim

Wow 1.2 grains of powder and they all went into a 1 inch group !!!
I do the same but with 2 shots at each load to confirm I am not dreaming when I get groups like this.
What was your speed around the 2970 fps with that load of 09?

Looks like a hummer barrel.

Pete

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Re: A ladder test gone wrong?

#3 Postby Tim N » Fri Nov 19, 2021 5:16 pm

Hey Peter
56.2 = 2960
56.5 = 2981
I’m guessing there won’t be a repeat of that result
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Re: A ladder test gone wrong?

#4 Postby agro » Fri Nov 19, 2021 6:20 pm

I would definitely be doing a retest with a higher round count to validate

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Re: A ladder test gone wrong?

#5 Postby Tim N » Fri Nov 19, 2021 6:29 pm

agro wrote:I would definitely be doing a retest with a higher round count to validate


For sure- early days with this barrel
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Re: A ladder test gone wrong?

#6 Postby lewis reynolds » Sat Nov 20, 2021 7:54 am

Tim It was more like 4 into 1/2 inch :D at a 5 shot group of under 3 inch and 900. If you whant to sell that barrel I will make you a fair offer..

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Re: A ladder test gone wrong?

#7 Postby Tim N » Sat Nov 20, 2021 4:37 pm

After 1500 rounds I’ll get back to you 8)
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Re: A ladder test gone wrong?

#8 Postby saum2 » Sun Nov 21, 2021 9:49 am

Gday Tim, is the 2209 old batch or the new BTI powder?
Geoff

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Re: A ladder test gone wrong?

#9 Postby dazza284 » Sun Nov 21, 2021 1:39 pm

saum2 wrote:Gday Tim, is the 2209 old batch or the new BTI powder?
Geoff

Ok I'll bite what is BTI

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Re: A ladder test gone wrong?

#10 Postby Tim N » Sun Nov 21, 2021 2:00 pm

dazza284 wrote:
saum2 wrote:Gday Tim, is the 2209 old batch or the new BTI powder?
Geoff

Ok I'll bite what is BTI


Ballistic temperature independence

Something added to make it more temperature stable- apparently

Yes this batch is bti
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Re: A ladder test gone wrong?

#11 Postby AlanF » Sun Nov 21, 2021 5:30 pm

Tim N wrote:...Something added to make it more temperature stable- apparently...

Did I read somewhere that it was required to address a US ban on some chemical ingredients in the old powder?

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Re: A ladder test gone wrong?

#12 Postby RDavies » Sun Nov 21, 2021 6:55 pm

AlanF wrote:
Tim N wrote:...Something added to make it more temperature stable- apparently...

Did I read somewhere that it was required to address a US ban on some chemical ingredients in the old powder?

Not U.S ban, but Europe and U.K ban.

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Re: A ladder test gone wrong?

#13 Postby RDavies » Sun Nov 21, 2021 6:57 pm

Tim N wrote:Hi All
I was testing a new barrel this week with some different components and thought I’d try a ladder test.
7saum at 900 yds
Load - 180 hyb with 2209 55.3 to 56.5 in .3 gn increments.
My issue with the test was the last 4 went into approx 1”
Weird hey

Yea, if a new barrel doesnt behave properly in ladder tests early on, you are only wasting components firing more out of it.
Im after a fire forming barrel, so I will swap you a jug of powder for it if you like.

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Re: A ladder test gone wrong?

#14 Postby saum2 » Sun Nov 21, 2021 7:19 pm

Tim N wrote:
dazza284 wrote:
saum2 wrote:Gday Tim, is the 2209 old batch or the new BTI powder?
Geoff

Ok I'll bite what is BTI


Ballistic temperature independence

Something added to make it more temperature stable- apparently

Yes this batch is bti

Interesting as the new batch I have is over a gr faster than my old batch.

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Re: A ladder test gone wrong?

#15 Postby Tim N » Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:00 am

If my last 4 groove bartlein is anything to go by-it sped up by over 1 gn in the first 150 rounds
We don't rise to the level of our expectations, we fall to the level of our training. Archilochos 680-645 BC


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