ATR

[Matt P]

being the first NRAA team to win a World Championship in a LONG time (1988 Palma ??? could be wrong).

Do we consider the vets team in 2011 as a NRAA team?? I thought they deserved more accolades at the time too.

Yes, there you go I didn't even know they won !!!!! I guess I shouldn't be so hard on them, it's not only F Class that's missing out on due recognition !!!!
Matt P

[RMc]

Matt, you may take my comments personly, but I think it is funny that no one has commented on the excellent article that the ATR carried on the Championship.
I as a Victorian Shooter should be complaining about the fact that this is the second ATR that has had no coveriage of our events, but that is partialy my fault in that the people who run our sport are voted in by us.
The point here is that if you or anyone else is upset how our sport is precieved to be run then you/we need to change the people, not compain

[Matt P]

RMc
PM sent.
Matt P

[Peter Hulett]

I am no supporter of our current NRAA members but I believe that there are some misunderstandings out there that need to be sorted out.

The ATR magazine does not receive editorial direction from the NRAA. It is a private enterprise and if there are concerns about its content then they should be directed to the Editor.

I agree that a number of the NRAA members are living in the land of the never-never as regards F-Class and the sooner we get rid of those members and also those no longer shoot the better we will be, however that can only be achieved through your State Rifle Associations. That is the rules. We as shooters are not members of the NRAA.

Regarding the Rules Director, Bob Pederson, he has been a driving force in the NRAA . Prior to his tenure we had a number of years when rule changes were made without much consideration to consequence and indeed many of those rule changes were not published in the SSRs. Bob has clarified a number of the rules regarding F-Class and TR and has developed rules regarding electronic targets and most importantly we now have a set of SSRs which is quickly updated and are available to all. I am disappointed that some members of this forum have lost track of how far the communication of the rules has progressed in the last few years.

Finally, a further splintering of competitive shooting at a National level with F-class going alone shows little understanding of the structure of shooting in this country and displays no understanding of the relevance of State Associations.

[bartman007]

The ATR magazine does not receive editorial direction from the NRAA. It is a private enterprise and if there are concerns about its content then they should be directed to the Editor.

I must have been out of the sport when the magazine moved to private hands. Thanks for clearing that up.

So I gather it is just like the local news papers, you have to approach them with articles in order for them to have the facts and material to publish.

My previous magazine needed a followup as it didn't turn up, the current one hasn't turned up either

[Razer]

The ATR magazine has on the front cover," The Official Magazine of the National Rifle Association of Australia".

On page one it states, "To promote and develop the sport of target shooting in Australia".

On page two it has Publisher:
The Australian Target Rifle is published bi-monthly by the National Rifle Association of Australia Limited.
Also;
If you wish to submit contributions/articles etc. it asks that they be emailed to atr_editorial@nraa.com.au

As I have not yet received the latest copy of ATR I can only assume that this information, taken from my last copy, is still relevant .

If the ATR is to go on promoting our sport then it needs to really get more proactive and seek out as much information as possible to publish.

I have been receiving the ATR for too many years to recall, but, one thing that I do know is that many members no longer subscribe because they no longer see any value in it.
It would be interesting to know just what the current circulation figures are,
and, whether they are rising or falling.

Since ATR #55 free advertising for clubs and associations ceased, so, in order to advertise an OPM the clubs/associations pay to promote target shooting.

I recognize the fact that the NRAA may be shorthanded, but, it is the 'voice' of Australian Target Shooters and, the states are only members of the NRAA.

As the self acknowledged promoter of our sport the ATR needs to lift its game to the standard that is required to attract new shooters, something that is just not happening.

Accolades to the many clubs, club members, and club websites, in particular ozfclass website, who do promote our sport, seeking and encouraging new members to embark on a lifelong journey that is challenging, intellectually stimulating and will keep you interested until you literally 'drop off your perch'.

[SENDIT]

Bugger the atr this web site is the place to come for upto date info and opinions, as for the fcwc we know what it took for you to win.

[DannyS]

I still pay to get the ATR, but most times I wonder why. Still very TR biased but that could be due to the information submitted. I have found them good at publishing news when submitted.

Maybe more F class news needs to be forwarded to them.

Cheers

Danny S

[DannyS]

I still pay to get the ATR, but most times I wonder why. Still very TR biased but that could be due to the information submitted. I have found them good at publishing news when submitted.

Maybe more F class news needs to be forwarded to them.

Cheers

Danny S

[bruce moulds]

I stopped getting atr years ago and due to the fact that it was out of touch.
what finally clinched the deal was that I felt the magazine was an ideal vehicle to steer toward a future, but thrived on the past.
this was epitomized by constant write-ups about shooters departed, with nothing positive about the future, giving the impression of a sport in its deathroes.
when I wrote to the magazine suggesting a more forward looking approach might be of benefit, there was a great howling down by, in those days, mostly tr shooters.
the money I have saved on the mag has been better spent on powder and bullets, and time not spent reading it working on such things as looking for new members.
the mag reflects the culture of those in power, and that culture just doesn't know it is dead yet.
I take heart in the groundswell that is starting to rise up in long range shooting, and wait for atr to reflect the results of this.
keep safe,
bruce.

[Malcolm Hill]

Alan
Regardless of the fact that there wasn't a front cover picture of our F class team the article in the magazine is a credit to you given the short space of time you had available to compile it. It's not often that any F class reports are given more than a slight mention so to see several pages devoted to the Australian team's success was exceptionally good in my opinion. A very informative and well presented run down of the event.
Regards Malcolm.

[AlanF]

Thanks Malcolm. It was a privilege to be asked to do it actually. I should add that a good number of the team got the opportunity to look over the report before it was submitted to the ATR and useful changes were made as a result. Its hard for one person to get an accurate whole of team perspective.

Apart from my ignored suggestion about including the F-Class rankings several years ago, I've never been knocked back by the ATR although most contributions haven't been F-Class specific. The lady I normally deal with is Laurelle and she has always been pleasant and efficient.

Like all paper-based media, the ATR circulation is I believe in steady decline, but it must still be the main source of full-bore news for a lot of shooters, particularly those without internet access. The longer it can hang on the better - if it does fold, it could take a few shooters with it.

Alan

[Razer]

I received my ATR today and I think that we have a budding journalistic genius in our midst.

My totally unbiased opinion.

That was the most informative and interesting article that I seen in the ATR for a very long time.

Writes as well as he shoots.

[gone]

Apart from my ignored suggestion about including the F-Class rankings several years ago, I've never been knocked back by the ATR although most contributions haven't been F-Class specific. The lady I normally deal with is Laurelle and she has always been pleasant and efficient.

Alan

Dam good article Alan, well written, concise, interesting and informative. I think it is this type of article that will help our sport to be recognised and develop. I would have liked to see my name a little more but I suppose that means I need to shoot better for that to happen?

I read most of it when it comes out and think that there has been an increasing number of articles about F class of late. Maybe it is a case of shit in shit out? If we want more articles in the magazine write them and submit them. I do believe that FTR if it is to stand a chance it 2017 need to do this and deal with some of the negative/complacent attitudes.

anyhow I digress with the ACT queens being completed next week maybe we (you) could put the rankings into the mag for publishing again (I have seen the TR published before but never the F class) might be a nice way to finish the year or start an new? especially since you have done the work to revive them.

[SSharp]

Congratulations on your excellent article Alan. It described the events and atmosphere accurately. Several Canberra shooters have commented to me about the high quality of your effort. I may be a biased Aussie but I thought your article was superior to those from England and the US.

Stephen S