F Class no longer a "Queens "

[Razer]

Seeing that the original Queens was instigated to improve the marksmanship of potential soldiers, and, the military connection has long since ceased, it beggars the question as to whether or not the modern Queens is still compliant with the original concept.
Edit; Likewise the majority of the armed forces of today no longer use open sights as they use optical, so maybe the Queens should be for F class and, TR be made redundant.
Also the elite marksmen, ie: snipers, shoot equipment more akin to F Class.

But;
Nice find Alan.

Looks better like this though Is that total entry for real? Grand figure of 9!!!!!!!

NRA 145th Imperial meeting Total entry 9
H.M. Queen's Prize, F-Class Final
900x 1000x Total
F-Open Gold Medal
1 Mr DN Kent FO Old Epsomian RC 70.4v 65.0v 135.4v
Next Best Scores
2 Mr SP Barrett FO Welsh RA 66.1v 60.2v 126.3v
Next Best Scores
3 Mr PW Medhurst FO LMRA 66.1v 56.1v 122.2v
4 M AP Papezyk FO France 65.4v 52.0v 117.4v
FTR Gold Medal
1 Mr AW Marsh FR Somerset CRA 65.3v 65.1v 130.4v
Next Best Scores
2 Mr AS Webber FR Canada 68.7v 59.2v 127.9v
Next Best Scores
3 Ms WF Reid FR Canada 62.2v 64.1v 126.3v
4 Mr G Wiens FR Canada 65.2v 61.1v 126.3v
5 Mr P Eggemann FR BDMP Germany 64.1v 60.0v 124.1v

[KHGS]

...What the NRAA is worried about is that if we start calling every discipline a "Queens Prize" the NRA of Great Britain will get very miffed and withdraw the right to call anything a Queens Prize. Therefore we have asked State Associations not to call their F Class winners "Queens Winners" If you don't think that might happen then you don't know the Poms. They protect their rights and privileges very jealously and would be quite capable of withdrawing the right completely. That's what we are worried about...

Bob,

Thanks for responding.

Obviously the NRAA knows exactly how this has come about, but wouldn't it be better to wait until the NRA of GB makes an official request to the NRAA for the words "Queens Prize" not to be used for F-Class before putting out this potentially very divisive request?

Alan

So....Is political correctness now paramount to NRAA?????? Jut asking? I don't really think that the NRA of GB gives a hoot what Australia does & should we really care that much. Having said that I have long held the personal view that none of the State Championships should be called a Queen's Prize this should be reserved to the National Queen's prize only. Just my personal view.
Keith H.

[Barry Davies]

As Bob Ped said, the " Queens " was granted for TR only--but that's all there was at that time. TR has evolved to encompass FC as well. It seems to me that FC being incorporated in a Queens is a natural progression.
I agree with Keith Hills, the "Queens " should only be for the Nationals and the S and T should be " Championships " --would stop this proliferation of meaningless " Queens " badges.

[johnk]

Of course, it raises the question" Should B & C grade get Queens badges?

[AlanF]

Also, if we look at the detail of many years ago when the NRA of GB granted each State the right to use the name "Queens Prize", did this include the Northern Territory, ACT, and North Queensland, none of which are "States"? I hope its not a case of being less concerned when TR events are found to be in breach of the rights. In the interests of transparency, it seems reasonable that the original documents be made available by the NRAA, if not to the shooters, then to the Member Association Councils.

[bsouthernau]

What's in a name? To win the number one badge you still have to beat all the best shooters in your chosen discipline and you'll get a piece of embroidered cloth to help you look back and remember the time you did it. Surely that's what it's all about.

Barry

[AlanF]

To me a Queens badge is a Queens badge, and nothing else is quite the same. And I remain sceptical about why this is being done, and concerned that when some of us have been making a sustained effort to unify F-Class and TR, the parent body seems prepared to risk undoing all of the good work in one fell swoop.

[johnk]

Ala,

Again I disagree with you.

Since the inception of the discipline we, as F class shooters have demanded that TR accommodates to our requirements and expectations & in several instances have stated in effect, to hell with TR traditions. For example:

FO use their own target (fortunately now a thing of the past)
Every F class discipline should be chaired like the open TR winner
Targets include a special white aiming mark
Competitors be squadded according to discipline
ETs be nobbled to preclude decisive shooters gaining an advantage

We've asked to be separated from tradition & now we're wingeing because one step has been taken.

John

[AlanF]

Speak for yourself John.

[bsouthernau]

I think a lot of the gloss came off the Queen's Prize when Her Majesty's representative here declined the patronage of the NRAA. Oddly enough she accepted the position of Patron of Pistol Australia!!

[AlanF]

She also admitted to being a Republican AT THE VERY END of her term as Governor General! How's that for lack of credibility.

[DannyS]

So, has the NRAA ever sort approval from the UK for F Classes to be recognised as Queens Badges or is it a case of TRs not wanted F Classes to receive Queens Badges?

Cheers
Danny

[AlanF]

Danny,

Whichever is the case, its not a TR vs F-Class shooter issue. It's an NRAA oversight issue. This is exactly the sort of thing we have a peak national body for, to look after things like international agreements.

Alan

[bsouthernau]

What the NRAA is worried about is that if we start calling every discipline a "Queens Prize" the NRA of Great Britain will get very miffed and withdraw the right to call anything a Queens Prize. Therefore we have asked State Associations not to call their F Class winners "Queens Winners"

If this is correct and we only retain use of the term through subservience to the NRA of GB AND the Queen - through her GG - has told us to go to hell isn't it about time we grew up? The South Africans and New Zealanders have and - unless I'm mistaken (again!) - so have the Canadians. As I asked before - doesn't the glory derive from beating the best shots in the country and the acclaim of your fellow shooters rather than the bestowing of a prize by the monarch?

Barry

[KHGS]

What the NRAA is worried about is that if we start calling every discipline a "Queens Prize" the NRA of Great Britain will get very miffed and withdraw the right to call anything a Queens Prize. Therefore we have asked State Associations not to call their F Class winners "Queens Winners"

If this is correct and we only retain use of the term through subservience to the NRA of GB AND the Queen - through her GG - has told us to go to hell isn't it about time we grew up? The South Africans and New Zealanders have and - unless I'm mistaken (again!) - so have the Canadians. As I asked before - doesn't the glory derive from beating the best shots in the country and the acclaim of your fellow shooters rather than the bestowing of a prize by the monarch?

Barry

I agree totally!!!!
Keith H.