vra gradings and rankings

DannyS · Post by **DannyS** » Sun Aug 04, 2013 6:18 pm

Bruce, I should, but you wouldnt really want me to. If I did, all those SA lasses, would suddenly realise what they had been missing out on all these years.

Danny

Barry Davies · Post by **Barry Davies** » Sun Aug 04, 2013 6:50 pm

Yes, SSR's are pretty clear re what shoots are to be used for grading. Danny,
Suggest you email the VRA with a list of appropriate shoots and your calculation stating your average. I have done this several times lately concerning individuals who appear to be not correctly graded -- the outcome has always been satisfactory.

DannyS · Post by **DannyS** » Sun Aug 04, 2013 7:26 pm

Hi Barry, have already sent an email to Geoff Evans, he fixed it up last time. But its not just about me, I see various shooters getting left off the list, that shouldnt be.

Danny

johnk · Post by **johnk** » Sun Aug 04, 2013 7:34 pm

I'd go along with that, Alan.

bruce moulds · Post by **bruce moulds** » Sun Aug 04, 2013 7:43 pm

danny,
please come.
it would be a release.
bruce.

John E · Post by **John E** » Sun Aug 04, 2013 8:50 pm

I had a look at the results page on the VRA website and went back over the last 8 PM results of several prominent FS shooters and, although I only calculated the figures to the first decimal place, they look pretty close to me.
Danny's average is shown as 96.25 and I calculated at 96.18, Jenny Davies average is shown as 96.86 and I got 96.83 -- close enough for me, considering my poor maths skills.

John

DannyS · Post by **DannyS** » Sun Aug 04, 2013 10:06 pm

Under the SSRs, I havent seen mention made of supercentres, but I stand to be corrected.
My last 8 shoots, Warracknabeal 100%, Anzac Day at the Marsh 95.83, Queens 95.34, Symes 99.70, No 11 DRA 100, Warrnambool Marathon 100, South West Championship (Warrnambool) 100, Castlemaine 97.66.

Total 788.53 ÷ 8 equals 98.56.

Danny

John E · Post by **John E** » Mon Aug 05, 2013 10:03 am

Danny,
did you take into account that each dailly aggregate counts as a seperate counting score? e.g. the Syme and Queens counts as 5 scores -- it is not calculated on the final aggs.
My calculation of your counting averages was based on percentages of 100, 98.87, 95.83, 89.28, 97.10, 92.04, 96.38, 100, = 769.5 / 8 = 96.18, which is pretty close to your official average of 96.25
Perhaps I have made a mistake somewhere, but you can check with VRA to verify it. You will have to wait until tomorrow to do that though.

John

DannyS · Post by **DannyS** » Mon Aug 05, 2013 10:34 am

Hi John, Im a lot newer to this game than you so I stand to be corrected, but under the SSRs 12.8.1.4 it states that a two day lead up to a queens is counted as one aggregate and a three queens is another aggregate. It makes no mention of daily aggs being used for grading.

Now unless we do it different in Vic?

Cheers
Danny

John S · Post by **John S** » Mon Aug 05, 2013 12:00 pm

Danny

You are correct (if following the NRAA SSR rules) - the leadup and queens are graded as two events.

So a person only shooting the leadup only will be graded for that and in a similar fashion a person only shooting the queens is graded for that event only.

As far as transparency goes - see NSW grading - I actually show the scores for the latest grading shoot so members can see whether I have made a mistake! See "Grading" @ www.nswfclass.com.au

NSW undertakes grading in accordance with the SSR.

Cheers

John S

John E · Post by **John E** » Mon Aug 05, 2013 12:00 pm

Yes Danny, we do it different in Victoria, that's why on the VRA website, "Grading", it advises that our grading averages are for Victorian prize meetings only -- anyone shooting interstate needs to consult NRAA SSRs for their appropriate grade.
Victoria altered the agg rule to say that each dailly agg stands alone some time ago, and I just had a look at the VRA website, "Grading" and "VRA rules to derive grading", and I saw that the wording had not been brought up to date. Thanks for bringing it to my attention, and that will be rectified asap. I can see where the confusion has come from.
The averaging grading system is still a work in progress, and changes will be made as necessary until we get it right, e.g. the cut-off points for TR were recently reduced by 1.5 points, because they were obviously too high --- B to A 96%, down from 97.5%, and C to B 93%, down from 94.5%. The F C cut-offs were left as they were. This applies for Victoria only, but no doubt NRAA will be watching, because it's a work in progress for them also.

John

John S · Post by **John S** » Mon Aug 05, 2013 12:06 pm

Given John E's post - why have NRAA SSR for grading?

So in effect a Victorian member attending the NSW leadup and or Queens has to somehow calculate their F Class Standard grading in accordance with the NRAA SSR rules - where is this data available to those members?

Are we comparing apples with apples or apples with oranges??

Cheers

John S

DannyS · Post by **DannyS** » Mon Aug 05, 2013 12:23 pm

Thanks John E, for clearing that up. Next question, does that also apply to all prize meetings in Vic, ie No 1 DRA is a two day comp, are both aggs treated separately?

Not trying to be smart, but it would appear that it would open it up for someone to increase their grading by shooting short ranges only.

Cheers
Danny

DannyS · Post by **DannyS** » Mon Aug 05, 2013 12:56 pm

Hi John S, just checked out your grading system, looks good, and is transparent.

Cheers
Danny

John E · Post by **John E** » Mon Aug 05, 2013 1:23 pm

Danny,
No.1 DRA 2 day shoot -- each day's agg will count as a grading score.
Because the grading is based on a competitor's last 8 shoots (dailly aggs), his average can go up or down as the 8th shoot drops off (counting back), so any Victorian organisation running a PM should have a printout of the latest VRA gradings in the office and simply put the member in his/her designated grade at the time of entry. That has been the practice at any of the recent Pms that I have attended.
I don't see the point of anyone shooting only one day of a two day PM to simply increase his grade, other than it would be an ego trip. Look at it the other way -- it could be a professional B Grader ( not that we have any of those) he might get 180 the 1st day and under SSRs, if he doesn't come back for the 2nd day, the score won't count in his grading. Under the system Victoria is trialling that score will be counted as a score for grading. Which is better? By treating each dailly agg as a counting score for grading, it also keeps the grade of a competitor more up to date.
Victoria is also trialling the same averaging system for TR for Victoria only, and it seems to be working well. As I understand it, anyone wanting to shoot the Queens or interstate can get a grade from his club grader or contact the VRA grader.
That's just the way I see it, but I don't have anything official to do with grading.

John

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