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What do u meen by hand lap?????
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RAVEN
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I actually hand lap mine now before using them, and they come up as good as any others. One thing is for sure, they are straight. They don't have a nice bore finish like a Lawton or Krieger
Hi Woody I have a MAB was hand lapped ITS Not Straight my brother has one it’s not straight either and most barrels aren’t BTW
Why would you to pay for a new barrel then go get it hand lap.
Lawton $605 NO LAPPING REQUIRED
Kreiger $600 NO LAPPING REQUIRED
MAB STAINLESS $600 + HAND LAPPING
Truflite $650-700 NO LAPPING REQUIRED
Maddco $600-650 NO LAPPING REQUIRED
Aren’t you making hand bags out of sow’s ears?
Cut rifling I consider to be better than Button rifling any day IMO Cut rifling tends to last longer.
Obviously woody the world hasn’t caught on about MAB I will be watching with great antisipation on them smashing world 1000/600 benchrest /500fly and F-Class comps.
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Woody_rod wrote:Barrel names are just words, they don't really mean much on the range. My test is this: go to any range where you don't know the people shooting. Now guess what barrels they are using by looking at their scores.....you can't because it is impossible. Same goes for actions, sights, scopes, rests, etc etc. Winning scores are not a popularity contest.
That maybe true but have a look at equipment lists, and I bet you wont find to many MAB's at the top.
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I tend to agree Matt
I just had a look at the MAB site they do have some podium finishes but I think most were in the early nineties
Since then there have been allot more precision barrel makers in the market and equipment lists will testify to that
In the 80's and early 90's the list would include Shilen /Douglas/Madco/Tobler and MAB
Now look at the choices we have over size diam extra length custom twist gain twists 5r rifling moly stainless composites the list is endless we are spoiled for choice.
I just had a look at the MAB site they do have some podium finishes but I think most were in the early nineties
Since then there have been allot more precision barrel makers in the market and equipment lists will testify to that
In the 80's and early 90's the list would include Shilen /Douglas/Madco/Tobler and MAB
Now look at the choices we have over size diam extra length custom twist gain twists 5r rifling moly stainless composites the list is endless we are spoiled for choice.
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Barrels , The fact is the more barrels you purchase the more chance you can get a great one or a crook one .. I have shot out a Tobler / Broughton / Krieger / Bartlien / Lilja / Hart / Maddco and MAB, got some keepers and some real dunga's.. Not having a heap of money to throw around ,i have to choose what is working out in the real world to spend my dough on , for this i listen to people in the shootin game i have come to trust, fellow competitors and yes equipment lists . This i trust way more than someone using these internet forums to flog products to us all ,especially to the new comer.. JR.. Jeff Rogers
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G'Day All,
I agree entirely with a.JR, money is a real issue and any PROVEN off the rack brand is better in my opinion than something you have to improve (like lapping the barrel) to get it to shoot. Now that's ok if you have the skill to do so, but when a custom barrel is carefully hand lapped anyway, why would you not buy a new custom barrel?
Remember custom barrel makers do not want a dud made by them to enter the market, so you can be confident if that barrel is winning, then you can be fairly sure your money has been wisely spent.
My choice in no particular order are Krieger, shilen or maddco and then it would depend on availability and cost. Remember, SARA import Kriegers and they are definately winning a heap of events these days in both long range and short range BR.
Definately check out 6mmBR.com for info for tips, equipment that works and reloading techniques.
Also a couple of things, good barrels, good optics and great bullets and gunsmiths make the learning process sooooo much easier because you KNOW it is 99% operator error if the shot is not on call. That builds confidence and skill and with a little luck some hardware for the pool room in the not too distant future
Hope this helps.
Cheerio Geoff
I agree entirely with a.JR, money is a real issue and any PROVEN off the rack brand is better in my opinion than something you have to improve (like lapping the barrel) to get it to shoot. Now that's ok if you have the skill to do so, but when a custom barrel is carefully hand lapped anyway, why would you not buy a new custom barrel?
Remember custom barrel makers do not want a dud made by them to enter the market, so you can be confident if that barrel is winning, then you can be fairly sure your money has been wisely spent.
My choice in no particular order are Krieger, shilen or maddco and then it would depend on availability and cost. Remember, SARA import Kriegers and they are definately winning a heap of events these days in both long range and short range BR.
Definately check out 6mmBR.com for info for tips, equipment that works and reloading techniques.
Also a couple of things, good barrels, good optics and great bullets and gunsmiths make the learning process sooooo much easier because you KNOW it is 99% operator error if the shot is not on call. That builds confidence and skill and with a little luck some hardware for the pool room in the not too distant future
Hope this helps.
Cheerio Geoff
For what its worth, my present barrel is an Archer. That's the "cheaper" Border barrel, which is button rifled. Some people tend to look down on Archers a bit because they are "cheaper". This one, after a good deal of tuning, will shoot a genuine 0.2MOA or less at 100 or 200yds and its been pretty kind to me over the last couple of years.
You can get them from Jim Corbett at TripleJ. (Not the radio)
Unfortunately mine is just about worn out. I used to be able to shoot a full three day Queens Prize without cleaning it. Now I have to clean it every range to get it to shoot. It had begun to throw the odd flier. I finally counted the number of rounds it has fired, and got a shock. Its fired 4321 rounds!
However, if cleaned after every range, it still goes. I've just come back from the Wingham 2-day prize meet. On the last day, after I had discovered it need constant cleaning, it shot 60.7 at 300, 60.5 at 500 and 59.8 at 600yds. If you see an old grey nomad standing at the side of the mound crying, it'll probably be me, as I've finally decided to put the Archer to rest. I'm too lazy to clean EVERY range, and I'd be always wondering when it was finally going to die.
The next barrel I order is going to be an Archer. The record of the one I used I think stands for itself. TripleJ also uses one and his record also stands by itself. (Jim, I hope you are reading this). There are also some other very very good TR shooters who are getting brilliant results with Archers. Don't forget to consider them when you are looking for a new barrel. They're the quiet achiever.
That said, I've also had a brilliant Krieger Barrel and a brilliant MAB barrel in the past.
Cheers
Peddo
You can get them from Jim Corbett at TripleJ. (Not the radio)
Unfortunately mine is just about worn out. I used to be able to shoot a full three day Queens Prize without cleaning it. Now I have to clean it every range to get it to shoot. It had begun to throw the odd flier. I finally counted the number of rounds it has fired, and got a shock. Its fired 4321 rounds!
However, if cleaned after every range, it still goes. I've just come back from the Wingham 2-day prize meet. On the last day, after I had discovered it need constant cleaning, it shot 60.7 at 300, 60.5 at 500 and 59.8 at 600yds. If you see an old grey nomad standing at the side of the mound crying, it'll probably be me, as I've finally decided to put the Archer to rest. I'm too lazy to clean EVERY range, and I'd be always wondering when it was finally going to die.
The next barrel I order is going to be an Archer. The record of the one I used I think stands for itself. TripleJ also uses one and his record also stands by itself. (Jim, I hope you are reading this). There are also some other very very good TR shooters who are getting brilliant results with Archers. Don't forget to consider them when you are looking for a new barrel. They're the quiet achiever.
That said, I've also had a brilliant Krieger Barrel and a brilliant MAB barrel in the past.
Cheers
Peddo
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Cookie original question was what were our thoughts on MAB barrels.
I think what the non MAB fans are saying is not all barrel makes are the same MAB do make some great barrels I’m sure and some crook ones as well.
But If I were making my mind up on what barrel to buy I would go were the odds of getting a great shooting barrel were higher.
You may think you are saving money buying some of the cheaper barrels
add the cost of range fees components and your time to work out its not going to perform the best Then how much money have you saved.
Cookie use the internet to get as many views as you can then buy with confidence.
RB
I think what the non MAB fans are saying is not all barrel makes are the same MAB do make some great barrels I’m sure and some crook ones as well.
But If I were making my mind up on what barrel to buy I would go were the odds of getting a great shooting barrel were higher.
You may think you are saving money buying some of the cheaper barrels
add the cost of range fees components and your time to work out its not going to perform the best Then how much money have you saved.
Cookie use the internet to get as many views as you can then buy with confidence.
RB
In order to judge one barrel manufacturer's product better than another we need to know and judge barrel manufacturing parameters. I am not an expert in barrel making or even fully aware of what barrel parameters should be used to judge one better than the other.
Be rest assured that there are people who know what parameters should be checked for dimensional accuracy and consistency but not too many have contributed to this thread. Barrel making is a science and engineering parameters can be tested, its not black magic and it can be quantified as to who makes the most perfect barrels.
Which barrel maker provides the most uniform and controlled bore geometry, size and surface finish. Not to forget straightness, cylindricity, and roundness. Which barrel maker has consistent taper, bow, barrel shape, fewest tight spots and other geometric errors?
We are kidding ourselves by voting in a poll based on our opinion and limited experience in barrel use and testing. A large sample from each manufacturer of their barrels would need to be tested. Testing would need to be of same calibre, twist, length etc.
This poll is just for fun and a chance to express our opinions unless of course some of you have some hard data taken from barrels accurately measured and tested using specialist instruments and compared against each listed manufacturer's product in the poll.
Its an interesting topic and if someone could prove that one manufacturer had a significant advantage over another it would make our choice so much easier.
Here's some interesting reading on barrels and barrel making.
http://www.tsengineering.com.au/index.php?page_id=34
http://firearmsid.com/Feature%20Article ... acture.htm
http://www.lasc.us/RangingShotBarrelMakingFeature.htm
http://www.sunnen.com/graphics/assets/d ... 8bbe67.pdf
http://www.kriegerbarrels.com/Barrel_Ma ... wp3379.htm
http://www.truefliteriflebarrels.co.nz/13544/index.html
Ian
Be rest assured that there are people who know what parameters should be checked for dimensional accuracy and consistency but not too many have contributed to this thread. Barrel making is a science and engineering parameters can be tested, its not black magic and it can be quantified as to who makes the most perfect barrels.
Which barrel maker provides the most uniform and controlled bore geometry, size and surface finish. Not to forget straightness, cylindricity, and roundness. Which barrel maker has consistent taper, bow, barrel shape, fewest tight spots and other geometric errors?
We are kidding ourselves by voting in a poll based on our opinion and limited experience in barrel use and testing. A large sample from each manufacturer of their barrels would need to be tested. Testing would need to be of same calibre, twist, length etc.
This poll is just for fun and a chance to express our opinions unless of course some of you have some hard data taken from barrels accurately measured and tested using specialist instruments and compared against each listed manufacturer's product in the poll.
Its an interesting topic and if someone could prove that one manufacturer had a significant advantage over another it would make our choice so much easier.
Here's some interesting reading on barrels and barrel making.
http://www.tsengineering.com.au/index.php?page_id=34
http://firearmsid.com/Feature%20Article ... acture.htm
http://www.lasc.us/RangingShotBarrelMakingFeature.htm
http://www.sunnen.com/graphics/assets/d ... 8bbe67.pdf
http://www.kriegerbarrels.com/Barrel_Ma ... wp3379.htm
http://www.truefliteriflebarrels.co.nz/13544/index.html
Ian
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