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John and linda, I gotta say that it took me around 6 months to get the right technique with the harris and then a few shoots to apply that to the Atlas. I havent used an Davies so I will try and get behind one and see how it feels.

I find that if the bipod recoils up, then proper technique is used for me. Hate it when it jumps left or right. A few guys at my club have been looking at my atlas as their arnt many in australia. Should change soon as they are great.

Hope to see your guys on the mound soon

We don't do it in F Class, but bi-pod shooting is meant to be able to shoot multiple rounds without having to reset the bi-pod or rifle. and without resting.

ie, shooting rabbits from a bi-pod, you want to maintain the view, cycle the bolt and go again ASAP before they all run away.

In my opinion if you never shoot in a hurry and don't mind resetting, then as long as you are consistent about how you do it there shouldn't be any problems.

If it's jumping left, then jumping right etc. That could affect your POI.

I would like to see pedestal type front rests banned in F-Standard and the rear bag rest added to the total weight limit. And no ply wood boards with nails in the ground either.

Just Harris type BiPod's and a small rear beanie bag. Then things would get interesting! And it would be cheaper too.

Al I can say is there are a few contributors to this thread that have yet a great deal to learn. Join your nearest club fellas and go see how it's done properly.

Barry

Barry,

If your refering to myself, thats fine. I use a different method to the rest of you guys regarding bipods. But my scores dont seem to suffer. 58.2 and 56.4 last time at 500yds and I gota 57.2 my first time at 1000yds using a Harris.

Different method. Thats all.

Norm, no one is forcing you to use a front rest and bag in Standard.

You can use what ever set up appeals to you. (within SSR's) If that is a Harris and bean bag, then go for it.

I use a Davies and bean bag.

I am still to make up my mind, i normally use a harris but own a davies and a pedestal. I have only used the davies once but the pedestal is by far the easiest way. I agree with Quick, you can shoot well from a bipod it just take practice.

John, there everywhere, maybe you could do better if if that old pedestal rest was dusted off, that might fix that right leaning

Norm, whats your reasoning behind having the bag weight included in the total weight limit and what weight limit would be imposed if done so? As for banning rests in F standard, forget it, It will never happen, so too trying to get everyone to use a Harris for a job it's not intended for.

http://www.harrisbipods.com/
Harris bipods are ideal for Hunting, Target shooting, Bench Rest, Law Enforcement, Military and Tactical weapons.

And the Harris 6"-9" swivel bipod is standard issue on the M24 Sniper Weapon System rifles, which has a confirmed kill at 1,367 yd in Iraq. And that's not a location that allows two sighter shots before the kill shot!!!

I'm all for free choice, but please don't bag a good product and lie by saying it was never intended for shooting at long range.

Leave FS and FO as there are.
I would however like a class where people need to use tactical rifles with Harris style bi-pods. Then we'd really see who can shoot!

The Atlas V8.1 has replaced the Harris as the bipod on the M24 SWS. Same will happen with the M40A5 I think.

First I heard of that. If it's as good as you've said then I can understand why. And it only makes me want to try one out sooner!

So, when you coming to Victoria?

F/TR is awaiting your participation guys, get it going and your dreams of a tactical class with Harris bipods will come true.

TOM wrote:Norm, whats your reasoning behind having the bag weight included in the total weight limit and what weight limit would be imposed if done so? As for banning rests in F standard, forget it, It will never happen, so too trying to get everyone to use a Harris for a job it's not intended for.

Reasoning is simple.
Put the human component back into shooting. As it stands a rifle can be set up in a rest so that it is almost locked sold with minimal human interaction.
Its supose to be a "Standard" shoot with everyone competing on an equal playing field.
As it stands now. there are ca$hed up "People" shooting with $1500 front rests and solid high tech rear bag systems against other shooters who are trying to compete with $100 bipods and $50 bean bags.
The Standard does not apply as results depend on how thick your wallet is, not how good a shooter you are on a level playing field.

Make the rests of a configuration where the shooter actually has to drive the rifle in order to score high and the competition would be more equal. New shooters would then not feel so intimidated.

My idea would make the shooter with a heavy rear rest shoot with a lighter rifle to stay under the weight limit. The shooter with a light weight bipod and rear rest could then shoot a heavier rifle and so be partially compensated for a less steady rest. In so doing the playing field is made flatter.
In reality I can see that it is not going to happen but it would make things interesting if it did.

Copy from Fireman_DJ
**I would however like a class where people need to use tactical rifles with Harris style bi-pods. Then we'd really see who can shoot!** +1

Norm, Thats pretty much F/TR, just without the rear bag weight limit.

I reckon F/TR will be the class that attracts many new comers to the sport for a few of the reasons Norm has listed. Its not an equipment game as much as say F-Open and F-Std can be. I refuse to use a pedestal front rest for my LR shooting. I prefer a Bipod I have no doubt that many F-Std shooters can shoot well and have great skill, its just that shooting a rifle from a BR rest, well, its kinda BR I think. But again, what works for me, may not work for others so I dont care. I just wanna shoot, have fun, meet people and overall just have fun. Thats why I shoot.

Have a look at the rifle that won the 2004 F/TR nationals in the USA - http://www.accurateshooter.com/guns-of-week/gunweek031/

This rifle also shot 175gr SMKs for the win aswell.