OzFclass

jasmay wrote:I thought forums were about making comments on personal experience at times?
Jason...

Exactly Jason! What personal experience do you have with Shiraz type shooting vests??? I'm not taking your post personally as you seem to think, but I'm questioning its validity.

Here's an example of me using your high score, opinion based comment, but turning it in the other direction.

In my opinion, "The Australian F-Class Team would have won all the USA National and World Championship events if they had worn shooting vests."

The fact is we all know equipment is only one side of the high score equation. Do I believe that wearing vests would have won all comps? of course not. Just as I accept what you say as an opinion based comment. Maybe a good idea to preface your comments with the words "in my opinion". You state it as though it is a factual convincing argument that vests are of questionable value because the Aussies shot some high scores. You are entitled to an opinion but what personal experience do you have or can offer constructive comment on this forum and this thread?

Ian

As I have said, I look forward to hearing your results Ian, not that I am an expert in the area, and that I find it an interesting concept.

I merely stated that just as many shooters are doing well without them. (After you commented that Shiraz does well with one)

You have seemed to take it that I am rubbishing the idea which is simply not the case, I have already appologized for giving you the wrong impression I won't continue. And have thanked you for manufacture info.

As for my personal experience with a vest like this, I have none accept for what I have seen people use.

But I have worked along similar thought trains early days shooting comp as I had some pain in my shoulder. What I found was any padding I used interfered with my weld and I was not able to achieve consistency (I did mention this in what I think was my first post which has been deleted) I tried a shooting jacket, A piece of padding I made to go under a shirt and just a towel over my shoulder. In the end, a good quality recoil pad and a proper fitted stock is what worked, No more shoulder pain and I think this is contributed to the fact the rifle is now butted into my body where it should be.

So my problem was incorrect fit, not physical to myself.

FYI, Julie Mcewan wears a vest of some sort when ever she shoots, ahe might find your info interesting, you may gain more knowledge/ideas talking tk her also.

Jason.

I have a several strategies for reducing felt recoil, none of which involve padding. The obvious one is that I use a form of free recoil where the butt is not pulled hard into the shoulder. Secondly, I angle the body more than most shooters, so any recoil tends to rotate me rather than jolt down the backbone. Thirdly, my stock has a rotating butt plate which swivels on a pin near the bottom of its face. I twist the butt plate away from my body by about 30 deg. which causes it to contact the meat of the upper arm rather than the collar bone (ouch!) area. I don't believe this offset position of the butt plate affects the movement of the stock in the rear bag prior to the bullet exiting the muzzle.

Alan

Very interesting info Alan! I do not know of any other shooter using a swiveling butt plate. Is it an original idea of yours that you put into action?

My problem is not that recoil is uncomfortable as I use a decelerator pad fitted to the butt plate. Its about getting a consistent contact patch in the same place every time I shoot. The vest is more about consistent location and isolation from shirt pockets and slippery clothing like a rain proof jacket.

I place the butt where the collar bone slopes back at an angle onto the flat of the shoulder. The vest shoulder pad also relieves butt pad to bone contact.

Ian

jasmay wrote:FYI, Julie Mcewan wears a vest of some sort when ever she shoots, ahe might find your info interesting, you may gain more knowledge/ideas talking tk her also.

Jason.

I think Julie's vest is a standard mesh-style shotgun vest. I also think she wears a strap-on shoulder pad which I must ask her about.

I'll be interested to hear your thoughts on the W-M vest Ian.

Barry

Barry, I'm using the blue denim sleeveless shooting jacket I had WM make for me. Hopefully I will have the Shiraz style vest for the Queens, but I'll post some pictures and give some feedback once I have used it for a while.

Ian

The rugby shoulder protector that Greg Warrian wears is interesting too.

for strapons, go to the buffalo arms website.
guys shooting big 50s with 600 gn bullets and 100 gn of powder in conjunction with steel crescent buttplates often show interest in such things.
keep safe,
bruce.

johnk wrote:The rugby shoulder protector that Greg Warrian wears is interesting too.

I noticed that Keith Hills also wears something similar.

Bruce, if you are looking for a strap on, then Im sure there are plenty sites where you can find one.

Cheers
Danny

DannyS wrote:Bruce, if you are looking for a strap on, then Im sure there are plenty sites where you can find one.

Cheers
Danny

Enough of this childish crap! This is one of the reasons why we ended up with the moderator stepping in last time.

Anything constructive to add about vests Danny?

Ian

Ian, for some reason you seem to be very sensitive about your decision to invest in a jacket, going by some of your replies.

If you want one, go ahead and get one, your choice.

Does anyone know where I can find a comfortable & roomy padded cod piece to ware when shooting extended strings?



am only looking for the single pocket model.