Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2013 1:06 pm
DaveMc wrote:No brad, we stumbled into a sandwich bar called "twin peaks" for lunch and to our surprise were greeted by two very large .......... ales
Marty loves big ales
Marty loves big ales
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Marty loves big ales
Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2013 1:07 pm
Looks like Richard gave it everything he had !
Great stuff !
Great stuff !
Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2013 1:28 pm
jcinsa wrote:Looks like Richard gave it everything he had !
Great stuff !
All 3 coaches gave it everything they had. I think they will all be looking like they haven't slept for a week.
They are an awesome trio.
Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2013 1:30 pm
Cameron Mc wrote:DaveMc wrote:No brad, we stumbled into a sandwich bar called "twin peaks" for lunch and to our surprise were greeted by two very large .......... ales
Marty loves big ales
I honestly cant see any beer in that photo... is "ales" code for boobs?
Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2013 2:46 pm
Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2013 3:32 pm
Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2013 3:59 pm
Jeez, that country almost makes the Simpson look good!
Thanks for the shots, Rod & thanks for what you & the team did for Australian F class shooting.
John
Thanks for the shots, Rod & thanks for what you & the team did for Australian F class shooting.
John
Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2013 9:53 pm
So who is getting up to welcome them home when they arrive at 5AM.............hehehe. Deafly silence. That's ok, I will be there at work, I will do it for you. 
Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2013 10:19 am
Hope you all get back safe.
Any chance of an equipment list?
Any chance of an equipment list?
Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2013 2:39 pm
Hi everyone, Back home now and enjoyed a very nice fathers day morning with the kids.
Just scanned through the many well wishes and huge support from everyone. It is more than greatly appreciated and thought I would dedicate some time to answer some of the questions and give a brief report. This will probably come in the form of several short postings as I catch up on some other duties as well
Yes it is true, the team had all 7mm. Some straight 284's, 284 Shehanes and a few lighter loaded magnums. Projectiles were 180 VLD and Hybrids doing 2800-3000 fps. Powders were mainly 2209 (4350) but some VV (165 etc) and some 2213SC. Barnards, Bats, Kelbly etc. NF, March and Sightron scopes
With the strong, flicky tailwinds the minor difference in ballistic performance was negligible. Far less so than pure crosswinds - it was more about reading the changes than a ballistic fight like you see in Bisley. Perhaps other teams did truly come "over gunned"??? but I suspect the end results had little to do with caliber choice and more to do with teamwork.
A few of the team members wanted to transfer the "house of pain" reputation from Lowerlight to Raton. Whilst no doubt quite different from Lowerlight it was very flicky and at times hard to read with mirage, and flags generally going in all directions and "dust devils" a regular occurrence. Marty and Alan seemed to have the best handle on this through the individual events and shot extremely well throughout. They have both given a lot to this sport and it was great to see them rewarded with outstanding performances.
In the end the team came together like a well oiled machine. It was one of those "lifetime experiences" to be a cog in that machine and I will try and go into more detail on that shortly.
Just scanned through the many well wishes and huge support from everyone. It is more than greatly appreciated and thought I would dedicate some time to answer some of the questions and give a brief report. This will probably come in the form of several short postings as I catch up on some other duties as well
Yes it is true, the team had all 7mm. Some straight 284's, 284 Shehanes and a few lighter loaded magnums. Projectiles were 180 VLD and Hybrids doing 2800-3000 fps. Powders were mainly 2209 (4350) but some VV (165 etc) and some 2213SC. Barnards, Bats, Kelbly etc. NF, March and Sightron scopes
With the strong, flicky tailwinds the minor difference in ballistic performance was negligible. Far less so than pure crosswinds - it was more about reading the changes than a ballistic fight like you see in Bisley. Perhaps other teams did truly come "over gunned"??? but I suspect the end results had little to do with caliber choice and more to do with teamwork.
A few of the team members wanted to transfer the "house of pain" reputation from Lowerlight to Raton. Whilst no doubt quite different from Lowerlight it was very flicky and at times hard to read with mirage, and flags generally going in all directions and "dust devils" a regular occurrence. Marty and Alan seemed to have the best handle on this through the individual events and shot extremely well throughout. They have both given a lot to this sport and it was great to see them rewarded with outstanding performances.
In the end the team came together like a well oiled machine. It was one of those "lifetime experiences" to be a cog in that machine and I will try and go into more detail on that shortly.
Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2013 4:04 pm
Dave,
Be interesting to hear if you all though the extra MV of the Shehane and SAUM was worth it in those winds over the straight 284. I was watching Martys interview and he said that the lower recoil of the 284 helped him get on target faster. I wonder how much difference you all think that makes. I think your experiences as a team will have an impact on rifles that future FO and current FO shooters build as I'm sure we all want to build a rifle that is capable of taking us to the FCWC one day. I'm one of them.
Be interesting to hear if you all though the extra MV of the Shehane and SAUM was worth it in those winds over the straight 284. I was watching Martys interview and he said that the lower recoil of the 284 helped him get on target faster. I wonder how much difference you all think that makes. I think your experiences as a team will have an impact on rifles that future FO and current FO shooters build as I'm sure we all want to build a rifle that is capable of taking us to the FCWC one day. I'm one of them.
Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2013 4:39 pm
Marty didn't kick arse because he had a 284, Marty had a great shoot because he handled the conditions superbly. he would have done just as well with a SAUM or Shehane or 280AI
As a team there was little difference between the Shehane, Saum and straight 284. All proved themselves reliably very accurate. All could be shot at similar pace. I think Marty's above comment comes more from the large number of people starting to use 300WSM and 215-240 grain pills.
All of the above are in the right case size to bore ratio to establish remarkably efficient burn and very low velocity spread.
My personal opinion is
1) The 284 is a superb round that will give you many thousands of rounds (typically 2-3 but sometimes more) of reliable accuracy. This is a big advantage to this cartridge for the average shooter as it requires little tuning and is still good enough to put you in the winners circle.
2) The 284 Shehane is generally run in the same velocity range as the straight 284 (over here at least) and if so has the same advantages as the straight 284 but is marginally better on case life. The disadvantages are die selection and fireforming. Similar barrel life to above. This is the case I will still do most of my shooting with.
3) The RSAUM also a great round. Slightly better ballistics and also proving super accurate. The main disadvantages of this cartridge at this stage are the barrel and brass life. If better cases come around it will be a major player over the upcoming years for those willing to replace barrels regularly.
4) - 280AI - not used by anyone in this team but also a great round. Better cases available, and barrel life probably between 284 and rsaum depending on how hard it is pushed.
We stayed away from the 300WSM as a team due to flexibility mainly. One of the ICFRA team rules is you cannot change caliber so if a team member started with a 30 cal we could not hand them a 7mm if there was an issue (and there were a few).
Another team decision was to take a few magnums just in case things turned real nasty but conditions never called for it and some of the 284's were running superbly.
You will enjoy all of the above but none are magically miles better than the others.
Choose what suits your ambitions and wallet best.
As a team there was little difference between the Shehane, Saum and straight 284. All proved themselves reliably very accurate. All could be shot at similar pace. I think Marty's above comment comes more from the large number of people starting to use 300WSM and 215-240 grain pills.
All of the above are in the right case size to bore ratio to establish remarkably efficient burn and very low velocity spread.
My personal opinion is
1) The 284 is a superb round that will give you many thousands of rounds (typically 2-3 but sometimes more) of reliable accuracy. This is a big advantage to this cartridge for the average shooter as it requires little tuning and is still good enough to put you in the winners circle.
2) The 284 Shehane is generally run in the same velocity range as the straight 284 (over here at least) and if so has the same advantages as the straight 284 but is marginally better on case life. The disadvantages are die selection and fireforming. Similar barrel life to above. This is the case I will still do most of my shooting with.
3) The RSAUM also a great round. Slightly better ballistics and also proving super accurate. The main disadvantages of this cartridge at this stage are the barrel and brass life. If better cases come around it will be a major player over the upcoming years for those willing to replace barrels regularly.
4) - 280AI - not used by anyone in this team but also a great round. Better cases available, and barrel life probably between 284 and rsaum depending on how hard it is pushed.
We stayed away from the 300WSM as a team due to flexibility mainly. One of the ICFRA team rules is you cannot change caliber so if a team member started with a 30 cal we could not hand them a 7mm if there was an issue (and there were a few).
Another team decision was to take a few magnums just in case things turned real nasty but conditions never called for it and some of the 284's were running superbly.
You will enjoy all of the above but none are magically miles better than the others.
Choose what suits your ambitions and wallet best.
Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2013 5:55 pm
Just to repeat a comment from US competitive ftr shooter Stan Pate on facebook, for those that do not yet wholly embraced social media .... (good to hear this from the USA)
referring to the Aus F-Open team:
Stan Pate: You guys are "the best", heart felt congrats to all of you, you well deserved that historic win! You have now wrote your country's history and set a course for F-Class shooting for Australia. I look forward to shooting with you again in the future, never forget that you are winners on the world stage my friends.
in facebook group" F/TR in Australia "
referring to the Aus F-Open team:
Stan Pate: You guys are "the best", heart felt congrats to all of you, you well deserved that historic win! You have now wrote your country's history and set a course for F-Class shooting for Australia. I look forward to shooting with you again in the future, never forget that you are winners on the world stage my friends.
in facebook group" F/TR in Australia "
Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2013 6:10 pm
Dave,
Cheers for that. I'm trying to decide what cal to use for the longs as my 6x47L probs all won't cut it against the 7mm.
Cheers for that. I'm trying to decide what cal to use for the longs as my 6x47L probs all won't cut it against the 7mm.
FCWC OPEN WORLD CHAMPIONS
Posted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 10:16 pm
When I opened the topic "F Class World Championships 2013" (Events p.4) in May 2011, I said "This is a MUST event for Australian F Class shooters, both Open and Standard."
I also said, "I would expect an Australian Restricted Team to be a near certain medalist. Open faces a daunting prospect, but a great challenge."
I did not know then of the resistance of Standard shooters to F TR.
Nor did I anticipate a new era in F Open in Australia.
At the Nationals in June this year, Marty Lobert said to me after the last range "John, this is a different game."
The "new era", "different game" is more accurately called "the Dave McNamara era". He scored 538/540, 99.63% !
More extraordinary was Dave's development as a wind coach. In March he was a colt, skittish with both wind and shooter. By August he was a Group 1 stayer. On 27 August he won the Cup.
There is a number of Open shooters who have contributed mightly to this unparalled success, (described by the USA top score, Herb Edwards, as "awesome man, just awesome").
In my view, the most significant and probably the winning edge, was Dave McNamara.
Leave them in peace for now, but Rod Davies and Dave McNamara must be pressed into service for Canada 2017.
Once is not enough.
John Tracey.
2ND Alternate, 2013.
I also said, "I would expect an Australian Restricted Team to be a near certain medalist. Open faces a daunting prospect, but a great challenge."
I did not know then of the resistance of Standard shooters to F TR.
Nor did I anticipate a new era in F Open in Australia.
At the Nationals in June this year, Marty Lobert said to me after the last range "John, this is a different game."
The "new era", "different game" is more accurately called "the Dave McNamara era". He scored 538/540, 99.63% !
More extraordinary was Dave's development as a wind coach. In March he was a colt, skittish with both wind and shooter. By August he was a Group 1 stayer. On 27 August he won the Cup.
There is a number of Open shooters who have contributed mightly to this unparalled success, (described by the USA top score, Herb Edwards, as "awesome man, just awesome").
In my view, the most significant and probably the winning edge, was Dave McNamara.
Leave them in peace for now, but Rod Davies and Dave McNamara must be pressed into service for Canada 2017.
Once is not enough.
John Tracey.
2ND Alternate, 2013.