WORST RANGES IN AUS FOR VERTICAL

[DaveMc]

Just doing a quick survey - tell us of your experiences. Does your local range (or indeed anywhere else) throw a lot of vertical??

Dave

[Dave Z]

Makay

[DaveMc]

OK - I'll add to that - Townsville and Atherton (Just ask the FCWC team trial attendees?) can be nasty on occasion.

[phillh]

Gosford, with the gully going lengthwise in front of the targets. Very well known.

[RDavies]

Gosford, with the gully going lengthwise in front of the targets. Very well known.

Yep, Gosford will give big vertical changes with wind speed or direction changes due to the gully. Atherton did give random vertical shots which no one present could explain. How about Herberton?

[DaveMc]

Herberton is known for a lot of small "unexplained" excursions but rarely to the 5 and almost never outside. Unfortunately the club has now closed.

[johnk]

The 1200 yard range at Belmont is well known for 2 MOA changes when the breeze running up the access toad changes & upsets the mirage.

[AlanF]

Of the Queens ranges I've shot at (haven't done NT or Tassie yet), most have particular situations that catch you out with vertical. Belmont particularly at the longs, Canberra depending on where you are on the mounds, ANZAC near the gulley, and probably similar at Swanbourne (didn't experience it personally). Any vertical at Lower light comes from major wind direction and mirage changes - with Wellsford similar. Mackay was a bit up and down on my only visit, but I thought that was a tuning issue.

Whenever I get vertical I look at how others are going, and discover its usually not the conditions - its me or my gear. The best evidence of when there is vertical is when you see a group of adjacent targets with spotters in a similar high or low position.

Alan

[johnk]

The best evidence of when there is vertical is when you see a group of adjacent targets with spotters in a similar high or low position.

Forget that when ETs come along!

[phillh]

The best evidence of when there is vertical is when you see a group of adjacent targets with spotters in a similar high or low position.

Forget that when ETs come along!

Not all ET's John. Hexta now has a feature where at a push of a button you can check the targets either side of you when shooting, the targets stay visable for around 3 seconds. A great innovation. Not forgetting that you can use any WiFi devise to look at all the targets in real time and also go back to see previous shooters on all targets.

[johnk]

Not forgetting that you can use any WiFi devise to look at all the targets in real time and also go back to see previous shooters on all targets.

...depending on its legality. I hope that the ET group are considering how to accommodate currently prohibited devices when they cast the rules.

[phillh]

Not forgetting that you can use any WiFi devise to look at all the targets in real time and also go back to see previous shooters on all targets.

...depending on its legality. I hope that the ET group are considering how to accommodate currently prohibited devices when they cast the rules.

You are right John, lots of things still need to be considered when making new rules that govern the usage of ET's.

Remember there are no rules when using paper targets that stop you from looking through the scope at next door targets to see their shots, nor there should be.

All existing long range ET's use wireless technology. A great feature of Hexta and some other systems is the ability to make it a spectator sport (live running score boards, the option of using wireless devices to view targets etc) which boosts interest in our sport and it also allows anyone with a web connection to view all the scores/plots/running score boards in real time over the net.

I think most of the basis of these rules is towards major International Team Competitions such as Palma Matches not OPM's and Queen's.

Rule 4.1.1.14 If Electronic Target Systems that rely on wireless communications are being used, it is permissible for Shooters, Scorers, Check Scorers and other Range Officials to use wireless capable devices for the purpose of scoring, check scoring and administration of the Electronic Targets System, provided always that this is the only purpose that the devices are being used for.

http://www.nraa.com.au/pubs/SSR_Changes ... 2_VerB.pdf

[ger]

The best evidence of when there is vertical is when you see a group of adjacent targets with spotters in a similar high or low position.

Forget that when ETs come along!

Not all ET's John. Hexta now has a feature where at a push of a button you can check the targets either side of you when shooting, the targets stay visable for around 3 seconds. A great innovation. Not forgetting that you can use any WiFi devise to look at all the targets in real time and also go back to see previous shooters on all targets.

Time for a plug. Just a small one mind you...

Ozscore has had the ability to scan up and down the firing line for more than two years now. Synonymous with scanning a line of targets with a spotting scope I suppose. So it's not really a new innovation. But yes, I suppose a "great" one! As for the use of wifi devices - essentially generic browser technology - well, that's par for the course now. I think every [ET vendor] does it in some shape or form. Note: Ozscore does not use browser technology in the shooter's display system. Only the spectator systems.

But I agree with Phil in at least one respect. Do not think you have lost much in this regard with the advance of ET's. Quite the contrary - I think shooters gain a lot. With any of them! I guess we all do the same thing - only differently. And this is the way it should be.

Geoff.

Ozscore.

[bobeager]

Goulburn NSW, particularly from 700 to 900 yards. We shoot uphill at about 15 to 20 degrees. Wind comes in from the South East, across a plain and the comes up the slope at 20 degrees or so. Flags don't seem to help. Our shooters, mostly F Class were confounded by the wild shots that we experienced.

So I asked the "grandfather" of our range, 95 year old Jim Andrews " DO YOU GET VERTICAL AT 900 YARDS", "ha" he said, "10 oclock inners, hey"..."happens all the time".

No coincidence that we at Goulburn are surrounded by wind farms. Maybe we need to replace the "Big Merino" with a "Big Turbine".

[bruce]

Just to clarify what Phill said about the HEXTA feature to look at other targets.
There is a new LOOK feature that allows you to do this simply by pressing a button on the shooter display, and which reverts after 3 seconds to the shooter's target.
But this is in addition to a feature HEXTA has always had (ever since the first prototypes) which is to be able to look at other targets and also at previous shooters results on any target on the range.
The new LOOK function just makes it easier to do (fewer button presses) and automatically reverts so the shooter can be preparing for the next shot.

Cheers, Bruce
HEX Systems