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worth your time?

Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2015 5:58 pm
by BATattack
Am interesting write up. A few here have probably been over this before and worked it out for themselves BUT it might be worth a read for some. The examples given are using targets larger than ours so more accuracy would probably give a bigger benefit. I think there are a lot of people who spend a huge amount of time worrying about the little things when hours at the range would help more than hours of time at bench.stressing about the little things.


http://precisionrifleblog.com/2015/04/1 ... ze-matter/

Re: worth your time?

Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2015 6:55 pm
by Razer
I posted that very same blog in Electronic targets seeing that the issue of wind reading versus fast shooting was being discussed. The evidence comes out in favour of the wind reader which would please Alan. :D


viewtopic.php?f=29&t=6474&p=58123#p58123

Re: worth your time?

Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2015 12:53 pm
by plumbs7
Very interesting ! Thanks !

Re: worth your time?

Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2015 10:08 pm
by Razer
As follow up from the above link, here is the second part. Standard deviation. 8)
Once again, wind appears to be the most influencing factor. :)
Quote:
Lowering your SD has a slightly bigger improvement on the further target, but we can still see the point of diminishing returns as the lines start to level off. In these scenarios, there is a big 5% difference from 20 fps to 15 fps, but only 2.9% improvement from 15 fps to 10 fps, and then just a 1% improvement in hit percentage going from an SD of 10 fps to 3 fps! This is primarily because, once again, most misses at long range are caused by wind and not vertical dispersion.



http://precisionrifleblog.com/2015/04/18/how-much-does-sd-matter/

Re: worth your time?

Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2015 11:34 am
by Norm
Yeah, but when a Queens is won on supers, that 1% could still make the difference between winning and being down the list a bit.
And how many % does an extra 100fps give?

Re: worth your time?

Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2015 1:52 pm
by AlanF
Razer wrote:...most misses at long range are caused by wind and not vertical dispersion.
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And (in my opinion) that's the way it should be. BUT, machine gunning with ETs will change that relationship, and wind-reading skills will be less important. If it attracts more BR shooters and young shooters to F-Class then I shouldn't complain.

Re: worth your time?

Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2015 10:15 pm
by BATattack
Draw from it what you will. Just because you have the SD to shoot X ring doesn't mean that you can make the most of it if you can't read wind to X ring.

Also it would probably depend on the conditions you encounter. Shooting in mild conditions would put more emphasis on accuracy where in the rough stuff you could trade some equipment accuracy for better wind reading ability.

Re: worth your time?

Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2015 6:18 pm
by Tim L
The issue I have with this is that I don't shoot 10000 round groups. I shoot 10 or 15 and if the best I can do is 1 moa, I don't have a snowballs chance in hell of holding the 6 ring simply because I have no idea where my mpi is. The 1st 2 rounds could be in the x ring but if the 3rd is an moa away I just lost a point.
If you cant hold the 6 ring in good conditions, I'd suggest you aren't going to fare too well. Whilst a 1/2 moa group may not seem to increase you chances much in this article, I don't see how you would expect to hold the 6 ring without it?