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MCLE
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The Future

#1 Postby MCLE » Sat Sep 15, 2018 6:08 pm

I haven't posted on here for a long time but still read some posts from time to time ..
After travelling to comps O.S and talking to Fclass shooters and coming home and seeing what we are doing and where we are going its a bleak future....
I do love our sport and wish l had started it 35 years back ... Back when numbers were healthy and we as a sport were more than holding our own ..
But unfortunately I never did . So I find myself in a sport with a future that is uncertain ..
If F class saved TR and TR is about done ..whats coming down the pipe line to save Fclass ????? Unfortunately we have nothing coming to save Fclass ..We probably need to find something to save our ranges !!
So am I being pessimistic ..
Or is a Pessimist a realist with glasses ...

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Re: The Future

#2 Postby Rebel105 » Sat Sep 15, 2018 10:34 pm

Hmmm 70 views and not another comment Michael. I can see why you've written this post, I see the same things except I've transitioned from many years of Tr to F-class. But I agree.

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Re: The Future

#3 Postby AlanF » Sun Sep 16, 2018 12:29 am

I believe we'll get what we deserve. If as a group we're prepared to make the effort, then we'll grow and succeed. There is no easy fix.

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Re: The Future

#4 Postby Bigfoot » Sun Sep 16, 2018 1:00 am

Here in SA we have the same problem.

F Class is growing but very slowly, however there are many 000's of hunters here, if only we could attract 1% of them, we could show fantastic growth........

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Re: The Future

#5 Postby MCLE » Sun Sep 16, 2018 6:25 am

AlanF wrote:I believe we'll get what we deserve. If as a group we're prepared to make the effort, then we'll grow and succeed. There is no easy fix.


Alan you would like to think so .... And your right there is no easy fix ... But easy fix or not first we need some sort of fix to implement !!!!!
Whatever the fix is I doubt as a organisation we have what it takes to implement it or if we do is there time left ..
I hope so

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Re: The Future

#6 Postby MCLE » Sun Sep 16, 2018 6:29 am

Bigfoot wrote:Here in SA we have the same problem.

F Class is growing but very slowly, however there are many 000's of hunters here, if only we could attract 1% of them, we could show fantastic growth........


I'm glad to hear Fclass growing but is it growing fast enough to replace the TR shooters who are also slowly leaving the sport ...
I don't know if this is the same in all states I would think not in reality most would be at the moment stagnating at best ...

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Re: The Future

#7 Postby AlanF » Sun Sep 16, 2018 7:21 am

Currently we aren't prepared to make the effort required to increase numbers in TR and F-Class, plus we aren't willing to change to what the market wants. To make matters worse the market is picky - many want things that are very hard to provide on our ranges.

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Re: The Future

#8 Postby MCLE » Sun Sep 16, 2018 8:43 am

AlanF wrote:Currently we aren't prepared to make the effort required to increase numbers in TR and F-Class, plus we aren't willing to change to what the market wants. To make matters worse the market is picky - many want things that are very hard to provide on our ranges.


Very true Alan
But if we are brutally honest with ourselves TR is about done the amount taking it up to the amount leaving is not sustainable and it's a shame and interest from the new shooters to even try it isn't there .. Rather than Fclass saving TR we find ourselves where TR was thirty years back ..
In a position needing new shooters to take the sport forward ..
But the interest in this type of sport is also limited ...As you say its hard for our ranges to provide what the new type of shooter wants ...
I think this is where we should be spending our time and money as an organisation ..
Seeing just how we can accommodate them ..
We need to start fitting in with them not the other way around if our ranges are to survive long term

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Re: The Future

#9 Postby GSells » Sun Sep 16, 2018 8:50 am

I think Scott R and Northarm rifle club should be commended with the implementation of their hunter class. Even has Muzzle breaks !! Prs is being shot on my home range on Ssaa side and I’m hoping that we can get them to come across to the full bore side . We have the service rifle rules with muzzle breaks already in the ssr’s and I found out that it’s not a standing range order for MB not to be used on the full bore side . I hope the service rifle rules can be adopted, so people can shoot prs in the morning and service target and f class in the arvo !

I’ve never seen so many different people at Dalby rifle range on a Saturday when a prs is being run ! At least 20 turn up !
The rules are there , it maybe just a case for subtle change of thinking! ?? F class and tr will always be here . But we must get shooters through the door and let them decide what discipline they want to major in .

Like I’ll never be a prs top running fiend . I’m happy at club level but I major in f class. Prs Guys may do the opposite. But it’s Bums on seats !

I think holding onto just the TR or F Class model at local level maybe dangerous for a clubs existence !!

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Re: The Future

#10 Postby Barry Davies » Sun Sep 16, 2018 9:04 am

There are obvious problems, but there are also " fixes " to those problems, BUT, being the selfish lot that we are we tend to look at everything from our own personal perspective with not a thought in mind to the overall much larger picture.
Some basic sessions of " reflectology " would be in order.
List the problems one by one -leave nothing out, then tackle each one by one. You may discover things you do not like.
Barry

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Re: The Future

#11 Postby Matt P » Sun Sep 16, 2018 9:06 am

A simple step in a forward direction is for all the current membership to embrace “all of the current SSR’s”, what I mean by that is to really get behind (not just tolerate) the other disciplines such as 600 &1000 yrd benchrest and service/ field rifle. Some of these other disciplines require less specialised equipment. We won’t survive as TR/FC association, I just hope the powers that be will realise this before it’s to late.
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Re: The Future

#12 Postby SunnyCoast 5r » Sun Sep 16, 2018 10:04 am

As I have stated before in other forums:
1. Embrace PRS / hunters on our ranges for casual practice: we have the facilities to enhance their skills and they might try FClass or at least join our clubs. And pay cash to keep us going. In the long term our sport might look very different...just like it is different to the 303 days...

Well done to North Arm for the trial shoots this year - it worked! We have not upset the existing members and have gained some new ones. I must be said membership is not really an issue at this club at this time anyway (thanks to a strong leadership group and friendly members) but the trial was still supported.

2. Confront the elephant in the room: we have too many classes. The ‘155gr pills for FTR’ debacle probably should have lead to a TRANSPARENT national discussion about FSA/B. The specs for these rifles seems to be at odds with a transition from TR to FClass imho (too heavy; front rests too expensive/heavy; trigger weight issue when Open is just ‘safe trigger’. Will F Open or FTR (the Internatiinal classes) survive if we keep having so many of our shooters using specialised FS rifles?

I know many people feel strongly about this in support of our ‘Aussie’ class...but here we are talking about our survival...

3. Change the name and structure of our organisation. We need to differentiate ourselves from the NRA so we can promote ourselves in a similar way to SSAA. This may not ‘save’ us but we might prolong our sport long enough to adapt. The structure of our organisation needs to be more transparent. Start by making meeting minutes available to the ‘real’ members: us! Ultimately we need to look at other niche sports and try to streamline our structure. Too much of my fees go on things I don’t fully understand...is should not be so.

4. Shoot more...the morning PRS shoots promoted by DDRC recommends I bring 50 rounds...FClass fairly low round count most weekends...

Thousands invested in guns & gear; family commitments; work = when I get to the range I might want to use several rifles and put quite a few rounds through.

I have 2 lovely kids (1 is keen on target shooting) who are the focus of my world so I had planned on contributing more to this sport when they are a bit older. We cannot keep putting off any change and risk becoming unviable. I am keen to see it survive for my own personal enjoyment!!

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Re: The Future

#13 Postby Rebel105 » Sun Sep 16, 2018 10:48 am

Lets lobby the VRA to nominate Michael Hall to NRAA,... what do u say Michael?

Ok a lot of talk about PRS style shooting, I have no problems with it, never done it but I'm told it's a younger persons game.
Now, I've been howled down before but I'll say it again, look at SSAA, 50,000 plus members with lots of guys that like PRS. The NRAA cannot survive without discussions with SSAA, some common ground can be achieved with great benefits passed on to all members.

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Re: The Future

#14 Postby Barry Davies » Sun Sep 16, 2018 2:26 pm

Noble ideas Geoff, but let's face it, you, I, and everybody else that cares know that's not going to happen. The powers that be would rather let us die than stoop to what they consider to be a somewhat lower level.
They live in hope that a miracle will happen and suddenly we will get an influx of new members ( maybe some more come and try days ) which are ok until the" come and try people" find out how much it really costs to participate in this sport.
That's one of the problems.
Barry

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Re: The Future

#15 Postby Tim L » Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:11 pm

Thinking about the reality of the situation, we have an oppertunity now with 3 NRAA positions up for grabs. As noted however, who is willing to take on those roles. I am seriously considering it, but I'm unsure what sort of job I can do. I have a full time job, a family and live in North QLD.
With that said, if we don't get new blood on the board we won't show improvement
One initiative that I think 'might' work for us is to provide permission to shoot with club memberships. That's not SC class but RE (to hunt) on the safety area where the club owns, or is responsible for, that land. Most ranges, in my experience, are underutilized. The 'land' never utilized. Could we improve club membership by providing the attraction of controlled access for pest management?
I know both Mackay and Townsville have the land requirement needed to meet the legislative requirement. Why can't people hunt when the range is closed?


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