Grains or grams?

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willow
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Re: Grains or grams?

#16 Postby willow » Wed Feb 27, 2019 9:28 pm

BRETT B wrote:Hey Tim , The A&D will weigh to .02 of a grain which is 1 kernal of 2209 !! enough said !!


Sounds way too logical...I like it!

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Re: Grains or grams?

#17 Postby AlanF » Thu Feb 28, 2019 7:49 am

Of course if you use analog scales, you eliminate the imprecision of digital rounding. Similarly with calipers. With dial calipers you can estimate well inside the 0.000" graduations.

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Re: Grains or grams?

#18 Postby Valk » Thu Feb 28, 2019 7:54 am

Problem with the analog scales, depending on the angle, direction and lighting it could be less accurate then the digital rounding.
The key I believe is consistence in every reading.

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Re: Grains or grams?

#19 Postby ben_g » Thu Feb 28, 2019 2:16 pm

Set up a webcam or even just your phones camera in front of a good analogue scale. That way the potential for parallax shift is eliminated.

I would love an auto throw setup, for now I use a dandy trickler and a 10-10 scale.

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Re: Grains or grams?

#20 Postby sungazer » Thu Feb 28, 2019 2:50 pm

Still lots of sources of error in a mechanical scale. The pivot point for instance. Its type of construction jewel, kinfe blade, magnetic dampened lots of different types all with pros and cons and different sources of error. Nothing is error free, its a matter of listing the sources determining the type, and then working out an error map and uncertainty statement for that method of measurement.

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Re: Grains or grams?

#21 Postby AlanF » Thu Feb 28, 2019 4:06 pm

For any reloading scales there are simple tests which check all sources of inaccuracy. If the primary purpose of the weighing is shot to shot powder charge consistency then just remove the pan full of powder from the scale, replace and reread a few times. If its also important that the absolute powder charge is accurate, then a metallic check weight very close to the charge weight is a good idea. If the scales are suspected of drifting during a session, (most often associated with electronic scales), then the check weight test may be necessary at intervals throughout the session. I use a Redding #2 scale, set up at eye level on a level surface and illuminated by a LED lamp. In reasonably sheltered air, it gives pretty much +/- 1 kernel consistency.

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Re: Grains or grams?

#22 Postby ben_g » Thu Feb 28, 2019 7:17 pm

I have found my 10-10 scales to register a single kernel of RL-15 which is a pretty fine powder.

While I would love an electronic scale and auto throw for the purposes of speeding up the process I do not think my powder weighing method is holding me back as far as accuracy goes. My limited budget keeps going towards barrels and projectiles

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Re: Grains or grams?

#23 Postby bsouthernau » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:56 am

sungazer wrote:But what if your scales will show 0.001 grams but only 0.02 grns. Now what do you think?


I think it doesn't matter what you call it.

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Re: Grains or grams?

#24 Postby pjifl » Thu Mar 14, 2019 10:14 am

I do not understand how this topic can result in any disagreement.

Put simply, the resolution of the scales simply needs to be better than the mass of one kernel of powder whatever unit you use.

In Grams, this is about 0.0017 grams or 1.7 milligrams for 2209 powder.

Scales resolving to better than 1 mg are unnecessary although they do give reassurance that this condition has been met.

Peter Smith.


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