nosler 185 gn 7mm

[bruce moulds]

how doest this bullet stack up against berger, sierra, and hornady.?
what might be an optimum twist for it?
bruce.

[Gyro]

I c Nosler states it as a .719 G1 BC and Litz gives it a .675 G1. Didya know that bruce ?

[bruce moulds]

no i didn't.
all grist to the mill.
what about weight and measurement consistency?
bruce.

[Gyro]

The boolit makers have so many times kept us in the dark and fed us bullshit, like mushrooms. Most of them are still doing it. I’m over much of the marketing they give us Bruce and don’t believe it and tend to switch off. The likes of Litz has done us all a huge favour …… rant over sorry. What was the question ?

[ben_g]

Haven’t heard any reviews on the 7mm

But the 6mm RDF is ‘fondly’referred to as the “random damn flyer” and has received little love on US forums.

[Rich4]

It’s probably an accurate BC, BUT there’s always a but, it may be at a velocity above Litz’s measurement in the optimum twist barrel, he tends to quote them the at the same point for reference, banded velocities like Sierra are better, BUT everyone reads the big one first, and that’s without considering twist rates yet, in the end advertised BCs are advertising, a handy comparator

[bruce moulds]

The boolit makers have so many times kept us in the dark and fed us bullshit, like mushrooms. Most of them are still doing it. I’m over much of the marketing they give us Bruce and don’t believe it and tend to switch off. The likes of Litz has done us all a huge favour …… rant over sorry. What was the question ?

and litz is swimming in the same pond.
he just has people convinced otherwise as of now.
however all the firearms industry is now marketing products of imagined benefit.
the modern person seems to want to believe that you just throw money at it and you can have the lot.
the main victims of this are the wounded animals caused by long range wannabe so called hunters.
another one is hornady putting new plastic tips on their bullets and charging heaps more
people just believe the crock these people spew out.
there is my rant.
bruce.

[KHGS]

The 185 RDF is actually shorter than a 180 Hornady ELD-M. So for all intents and purposes it's BC should be lower than the ELD-M.??? The ELD-M's I have, shoot very well out of my 9" twist barrels back to and including 800 metres. Results at 1000 yards has been disappointing. I believe that these bullets are over the edge of stability at 1000 yds. If I am correct I think an 8" or an 8.5" twist barrel is required for both of these bullets to work at all ranges. Perhaps 8.5" twist should be the std twist for 7mm F Class rifles.
Keith H.

[willow]

Haven’t heard any reviews on the 7mm

But the 6mm RDF is ‘fondly’referred to as the “random damn flyer” and has received little love on US forums.

Yeah I've shot plenty of the 105s in Sporting Hunter discipline since they're pretty cheap. Weight variation is the problem, with Nosler admitting that a weight variation of 0.7gr is acceptable as a match grade bullet. Lightest bullets I've got come in at 104.50gr and the heaviest at 105.20gr. I weight batched them into 7 different batches. They shoot ok, not great though. If you're going to run a 7mm, I wouldn't place my faith in Nosler.

[GSells]

I dunno , 180 Berger’s vld or hybrids are just so reliable! They always perform ! So many Queens have been won by them and A couple of Worlds and trans Tasmans .

I don’t know about the Noselers . But I would rather have a properly stabilised bullet of a lower BC than the opposite. Mho.

[GSells]

Something else to think about is 1:8 twist especially in a faster cal , you risk the bullet blowing up and a big fat zero ! Mo , 9 to 8:5 twist is reliable and 183’ etc are reliable. I realise there are people who have the tuning skill to dial in 195’s etc . But for me , keep it simple. Just read the wind maybe?

I would love to try the Copperhead equivalents for the 180 hybrid. I’ve heard they are also a good projectile . However when your on a good thing , maybe best to stick with it ?
Regards Graham.

[Gyro]

Yes Graham. A gun that's going well is gold. And that gun does not have to be shooting a bullet with a crazy high BC. I guess it's a bonus if it is but if the shooter can get "in the zone" and do some good wind reading then the results will follow.

The only payoff I know of with running a really high BC bullet is when it's blowing like crazy. And maybe also in those really feral shifting conditions when it's bloody hard to pick what the actual wind value is. And even then unless you're running tight vertical you are no better off. Too many shooters get sucked into just looking at the wind drift numbers when that's only one aspect of a much bigger picture.