Bad press on Sunrise program

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Bad press on Sunrise program

Post by Woody_rod »

This morning, I had the unfortunate opportunity to watch a story by the Sunrise team channel 7. Kochie is clearly anti-gun and was using his position on national tv to put forwrd his misguided views on something he knows nothing about. My reply via email is below:

Kochie, mate,

You are really going out on a limb making bold statements like a politician about what Aussies like and don't like.

The pastor on your show this morning (10th June 2009) is using his rights as they stand in his country. You clearly know nothing about the US Second Amendment (you didn't even know which one it was - the right to bear arms), or how it came about obviously. Ignorance is never an excuse for making a misguided political stand on an issue.

I don't believe the national press has a right to express a personal opinion on what they believe is right or wrong, only to put forward what we, the people, think. John Howard made such assumptions and was ousted so fast his feet didn't touch the ground. Your proposal that 99% of Aussies want to get rid of all guns, just shows your lack of knowledge on the concept of gun ownership, and how it is an effective deterrent to attackers and home invaders. You also do not know your viewers too well it seems.

Our country, like the USA, was built on farming, mining and the rifle.

Back onto the point at hand:

Open carry is a great way to stop people from attacking you in the street. How many people are going to attack someone wearing a firearm?

You should know about attacks on innocent people, you guys report this stuff every day. Open carry is where a pistol (or knife - a recognised weapon) can be legally displayed in public, whilst on your person - usually worn on the hip. Concealed carry is much more difficult to get (usually called a CCW), meaning the wearer can have the weapon concealed on or about their person, such as a coat pocket, purse etc.

Rapes, bashings, murders, home invasions, kidnappings, car jacking etc - mostly city based crime BTW, is less likely if the people being assailed are, or might be, armed. The states in the USA where firearm ownership is more open (not the same as being encouraged), there is a known measureable DECREASE in crime of the sort mentioned previously. This is because the main advantage a criminal has is a weapon. If the potential victim also has a weapon, and is very likely able to use it in an appropriate manner, the potential outcome from this will be much different than it might have been.

Australia seems now to be a land of weaklings, most of these based in cities where many years of good times have softened them to the point where they think a rediculous idea like disarming the entire population is a good idea. This translates into the weak castrated governments we now have. The only people having guns (a word used by the press moreso than people that know better - they are firearms) would then be criminals and the government via the police and military. Criminals by their nature will always be able to obtain what they need in order to commit crime - that is what they do. Taking firearms from the general population is then creating the exact OPPOSITE effect wanted by the soft and complacent majority - that is to make them MORE vulnerable to attack, as the criminals don't hand in their illegal "guns". Policies like the Gun "Buy Back" is simply absurd, when the motive is to disarm criminals -has not worked, and will never work.

So, now, the poposal is to have the police do all our protection? This fails, and will never work. This is why criminals can do what they want, when they want, as the police are so busy with paperwork and worrying about their overtime, that catching real criminals seems a secondary mission (I am a keen supporter of local police, and will always help them when needed). Then there is the soft courts that let out offenders, so they can reform themselves while raping children, and killing off witnesses - another subject alltogether.

I propose you guys actually do a story about firearms ownership, this time with some hard data on what happens to a population when they have no protection from attack. There are a lot of good people using firearms in a safe, legitimate and responsible manner every day of the year. My family and I are involved in target shooting - a sport much older than cricket or football, and with a history intertwined with our diggers in all theaters of battle. We have teams that travel to international matches, and are regarded as some of the very best shooters in the world. We have the next World Championships being held in Brisbane in 2011. I have never seen a story about our amazing rifle teams on your program. We had rifle teams in the UK before the first cricket team arrived - maybe this might be a story for you.

Many diggers coming from small country towns learned to shoot on the local range. In our tiny town of 350 population, we have an old rifle range just out of town - most towns do. This is where our diggers were brought up, where they learn't to defend our country and freedom. Some that did not come home, have their names on the memorial across from our home - a reminder every time I go outside, where we come from. There are many names on the memorial. This was in times when "gun" ownership was not seen as evil, but simply part of life. You might say life is now different, I say there is more crime, due to soft thinking, and people having absolutely no idea pushing their idiotic agenda onto law abiding citizens.

Stop the personal opinions, I for one, don't care what you think. I just want to hear what's going on in our great country.

Regards,

Rod Shehan


This was also posted on the US long-range forums
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Post by AlanF »

I don't watch Sunrise, but I agree we need to speak out whenever we see ignorance and misinformation about firearms sports. As you say, it is the metropolitan population who is most easily swayed by this rubbish, because most don't have any knowledge of firearms other than from television and film. I think all firearms sports should be concentrating on building membership in the cities. That is where the electoral clout is, and we ignore them at our peril.

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Post by IanP »

I agree with Woody, I saw what he is referring to on the Sunrise program. Kochie was stating his opinion as public opinion and he is dead wrong!

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Post by jcinsa »

I didn’t see the Sunrise program in question, and like all of us wish our media would give a more balanced picture of most issues.

However, while sympathizing with Woody’s viewpoint, I think we must be very careful of the argument we put forward.

I think we should focus our argument on needing firearms for sporting pursuits ( target shooting and hunting ), and primary production.

Confusing the issue by mentioning self defence, open carry, concealed carry, and suggesting we need firearms to suppress crime, only gives the media the oportunity to portray us as would-be gun toting rednecks.

The media is in the position to selectively quote any thing we put forward, and put us in whichever light they choose.

Our message must not be confusing.

We need our firearms so we can practice our responsible, safe and enjoyable sport.

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Post by Woody_rod »

You can quote me on this "the bald headed twit" on the sunrise program had confused the difference between the USA's Second Amendment, and ownership of firearms in Australia.

Of course, our two countries have completely different laws relating to firearms ownership.

This is why it was explained to said bald headed twit.
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Post by timothi3197 »

Just my humble opinion but I agree(with jcinsa) that when replying to the media any mention of self defence, concealed carrying of firearms knives etc. only gives them something to quote in a negative manner.

We all have good intentions but the media for the best part make a living off twisting comments to suit themselves, best off not to reply to negative press at all I have seen it happen and had it happen to me personally. I never tender opinion when asked unless given approval rights first.

The only safe way to influence the public is to raise the positive news items as much as possible whenever possible.

All responses should be from the NRA or whomever handles press for this organisation and if there is no response from them then ask why and where your dollar is going.
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Post by Woody_rod »

Ok, so some people are so scared to voice an opinion, we, the law abiding shooting public are held to ransom by narrow minded nobody reporters.

Neither of the detractors posting have read my response to sunrise in the context of the story they posted. Do some reading, then post based on what the idiots on the program said, then come back with positive responses. Otherwise, you guys really don't know what the hell you are talking about.

If you are too scared to voice an opinion, stay and hide in the shadows so your firearms can be taken from you without a fight. Me, and some others I know, will voice an opinion whenever the opportunity presents itself. Your thinking of staying quiet has the opposite effect that you are hoping for. It is also for the weak and feeble minded - and will never work out the way you want.

Now that you mention positive outcomes for shooting, what are you doing about it? This is the same thing I asked on another forum where the admins were so self promoting and sure they were making a difference, they never actually measured if their views ever did anything for public opinion. Of course, it never made any difference, they were only preaching to their own flock, not to the public. They had a hard landing when they had to admit they were just making noise and making no difference.

I personally make an effort to educate people any time, any where (the post office, restuarants, in the street). It is of no use expressing your opinion in this forum, if you are too scared to do so in public.

Read my reply to Kochie, and comments about Australia becoming soft - this is what I was talking about.
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Post by timothi3197 »

Dear Rod, I read both your letter and Kochie's transcript before replying. I always exercise caution when replying to people that think they are right and the press are best given a wide berth they are never going to push your point of view in a fair way.....

Going by your letter you have now told Kochie that target shooters: advocate carrying unconcealed firearms in the street, that cosmopolitan Australia is a land of unarmed weaklings with a castrated government that can't look after them and that we need firearms for protection or we will all be raped and murdered. Now we all know that is not what you meant at all but that is how they can misquote and twist it and this is the point I am trying to get across- avoid the bloodsuckers where possible. But feel free to say what you like as an individual after all this is Australia.

If I want to be represented as a target shooter then the NRA, SSAA, ACTA or the pistol association can do it, that is what I pay dues for. They have trained professionals to do that(or they should, we all pay enough in dues, another sore point). The NRA in particular is very, very quiet politically, where does my membership fee each year go to or are they just clinging to the backs of the SSAA, field and game etc etc??

I do a lot of work at the grass roots level on public opinion and over many years have quietly introduced many sceptics and non shooters to the shooting sports and all but one (dead) are now financial members of clubs and I regularly enjoy their company. I have never had to get on a soapbox to get others to try the sport and pointedly steer away from militant views and noisy radicals as this is offputting to most people.

As far as other forums go could you post some links please as I am curious, I am still getting my head around this one at times.

Nope second thoughts keep the links, one forum is enough for me to be spending my time on as I am getting behind on my reloading.

I will bow out of this debate now as it is becoming personal,

Kind regards and best wishes,

Tim
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Post by RAVEN »

No harm in expressing an opinion Woody
I think you seemed to have missed ppls points about some content of your reply to the bald headed one.

But take on board that the truth never gets in the way of a good story as far as the media are concerned.

The media preach to a very large majority and a great percentage of ppl out side shooting sports would take his comments as gospel.

Please don’t portray us as REDNECKS or aspiring to be one

RB :)
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Post by AlanF »

Well here is some BETTER press on the Sunrise program. I didn't find the original video, but this appears to be in response to it. Go get 'em Bob!!

http://au.lifestyle.yahoo.com/sunrise/video/index.html?autoplay_id=13918408#embedded-video-top

I thought it was quite revealing what Coalition for Gun Control lady said
...our concern at the moment is semi-automatic firearms...

So as Bob later says, they are doing it by taking away one thing at a time.

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Post by timothi3197 »

Good link Alan,

She also stuffed up by saying quote: "firearm ownership is a right not a privilege"

We need more Bob Katters who are able to get their point across properly.

I shoot ISSF standard semi auto pistol(an Olympic discipline) and am resigned to losing my pistol one day in the future(almost inevitable). I watched semi auto shotgun/rifle shooters thrown to the wolves in debate by target shooters after Port Arthur to suit their own purposes (the ability to keep military bolt action rifles and single shot in military calibres)and have to agree with Mr Katter that they will ban all firearms one discipline at a time.

And now I am Target shooter myself and so regularly castigate myself about it.......................

I will get back in my box now.

Tim
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Post by johnk »

timothi3197 wrote:I shoot ISSF standard semi auto pistol(an Olympic discipline) and am resigned to losing my pistol one day in the future(almost inevitable). I watched semi auto shotgun/rifle shooters thrown to the wolves in debate by target shooters after Port Arthur to suit their own purposes (the ability to keep military bolt action rifles and single shot in military calibres)and have to agree with Mr Katter that they will ban all firearms one discipline at a time.

One moment of pride for me was that the Belmont Shooting Complex Site Users Association, representing all the ISSF spoprts, plus SSAA & QRA & the other disciplines spoke with one voice when they held a rally against the miget's law.

Woody, interestingly, Bob Katter stood along with QRA President John Johnstone as two of the keynote speakers that day.

John
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Post by Woody_rod »

Timothy, I am not sure what to say: you just have not read my post properly. Where have I advocated the things you say? All I can say is people always see what they want to.....I simply explained what the things they were talking about were, nothing in my message was either supporting or negating anything.

What does everyone here do when they are confronted by this sort of situation? Hide? Keep quiet? Quiet so as not to offend people or risk being misconstrued or misquoted? I could care less about people's feelings or ideology when they want to remove my firearms for no reason other than they don't like them.

No shooter in any sport will get anywhere hiding behind their lack of courage.
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Post by AlanF »

Rod,

The idea of having guns for self defence may be important to some gun owners, but from what I know of F-Class shooters, we're mainly interested in getting good scores on paper and the thought of using guns as deadly weapons is quite extreme.

As far as "hiding behind their lack of courage", I don't think that sort of statement is going to win you too many converts. There are many ways to skin this cat, and becoming a vocal and reactionary minority is not necessarily the best. Target shooting under the NRAA has built up a high level of community respect as a moderate and responsible sport. In my opinion, we will be better served by efforts to increase our membership across all sectors of society, and remain as a group too big to be ignored politically. Now that requires a different sort of courage, of quiet determination and effort over an extended period. I'm an optimist, and think that common sense and goodwill will prevail in the end.

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Post by Razer »

"Quote,"What does everyone here do when they are confronted by this sort of situation? Hide? Keep quiet? Quiet so as not to offend people or risk being misconstrued or misquoted? I could care less about people's feelings or ideology when they want to remove my firearms for no reason other than they don't like them.

No shooter in any sport will get anywhere hiding behind their lack of courage.[/quote]

Hi Rod,me thinks you need a proof reader :roll: Do you mean "I could care less about people's feelings,etc?" in other words, you do care but are willing to not care as much? or do you mean "I couldn't care less about people's feelings,etc?" meaning you don't give a rat's "a" about their feelings. It is so easy to be misunderstood with just a simple typing error :shock:
When you wrote"no shooter in any sport,etc". do you mean shooters who shoot for goals,in;soccer,netball,basketball and so on?? See how easy it is to be misunderstood.
If you mean shooters of firearms then I believe none are hiding behind what you term "lack of courage". There are a lot of quiet achievers out there who are working very effectively to protect our ownership of firearms and doing a damn good job.
It is times such as this "together we stand,divided we fall" comes to mind!!!
I do not wish to enter any further into this topic as anything that I would wish to say has been more than adequately stated in earlier posts.
Regards,
Ray.
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