OSA to distribute Berger

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OSA to distribute Berger

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"Friday, September 27, 2024
Berger Bullets and Ammunition Partners with OSA Australia

Berger, known for the highest quality bullets and ammunition for competitive long-range shooters and sportsman, is pleased to announce a new partnership with Australia’s Outdoor Sporting Agencies (OSA).

Established in 2007, OSA is the industry leading supplier of hunting and outdoor products for Australia. OSA carries over 60 brands from firearms, optics, ammunition, clothing, and accessories for the outdoor sports. Based in Victoria, OSA supplies over 400 retailers throughout Australia.

“We’re excited to announce our partnership with OSA. We share a commitment to delivering exceptional service to both dealers and shooters across Australia,” commented Jeff Knowles, Director of Sales.

Australian retailers may contact OSA for details and availability of Berger bullets and ammunition.

Berger manufactures precision projectiles and match-grade ammunition for Target, Hunting and Tactical applications in Mesa, AZ. Berger is part of the Capstone Precision Group, the exclusive U.S. distributor for Berger, Lapua, Vihtavuori and SK-Rimfire products. For more information, visit Bergerbullets.com.?"
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[font=Georgia]OKAY... Now, if only Berger will deliver...!
BRT has/had on order, tens of thousands of all sorts of calibers, weights and sizes for years...
Supply was always in dribs and drabs and unless you were quick, as in the first half hour when they went on sale you missed out... :cry:
Berger bullets are still only now becoming more available in the USA and there still critical supply issues for some types...
Think 7mm 180grain Hybrids and a number of other popular calibers and weights.
184 grain 7mm's are available so perhaps they are putting more production time into them and for 20fps loss in velocity people are gaining better G7
6mm's in their variety are starting to show up once again as well but supply tends to sell out quickly...
Sadly, I believe that it will be quite some time before there is ready supply of Berger bullets in OZstralia.[/font]
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Re: OSA to distribute Berger

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I don't think the ready supply will be the issue, as I'll bet the next lot of Berger 7mm bullets will be priced north of $1.50 each and that may be a bridge too far.
I bought 3000, 184 Bergers for the then exhorbitant price of $0.85 each a few years ago and they have proven to be better than money in the bank. In another year I'll have made 100% on the investment, except I'm going to shoot them.
There is going top be an extra middle man in the mix now wanting their 20%, where previously we were buying direct from the importer.

This is getting quickly to a place where a space definitely exists for a local manufacturer of 7mm's.
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If bullets do land and they are at a reasonable price I can see them being scattered about the country. Back woods gun shops having 200 180 hybrids covered in a layer of dust instead of key retailers having viable stock.
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No longer loosing sleep over difficulty of obtaining Bergers. Having better results with Sierras .
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Re: OSA to distribute Berger

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PeteFox wrote:I don't think the ready supply will be the issue, as I'll bet the next lot of Berger 7mm bullets will be priced north of $1.50 each and that may be a bridge too far.
I bought 3000, 184 Bergers for the then exhorbitant price of $0.85 each a few years ago and they have proven to be better than money in the bank. In another year I'll have made 100% on the investment, except I'm going to shoot them.
There is going top be an extra middle man in the mix now wanting their 20%, where previously we were buying direct from the importer.

This is getting quickly to a place where a space definitely exists for a local manufacturer of 7mm's.
Pete


Unfortunately it's not that simple. The initial cost of setting up production to produce target quality projectiles will mean that the manufacturer will need to charge a premium for the product. Tooling supply for the manufacture of projectiles has always and will always be a problem. To maintain the tolerances necessary to produce consistent jackets alone you need a temperature controlled environment and grinding machines capable of working to a micron. Add to this the need to have a toolmaker skilled in operating this equipment and deep draw work. Without the ability to manufacture the tooling in house you will always be at the mercy of the overseas tooling suppliers. One broken boat tail punch and your production grinds to a halt. I have had to run presses for a few hours here and there and it is a mind numbing job so unless you automate with miss feed detection etc you will need a skilled operator to run the production with zero leeway for falling asleep at the wheel. One miss fed part walking through your tooling and its good night Josephine.
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So, OSA are also the Australian distributor for Sierra and Hornady projectiles. Hmm, the words 'monopolised market' come to mind. Our sport is about to get a whole lot more expensive....but at least NIOA are an alternate with Lapua...oh that's right, Capstone owns both Berger and Lapua, so will Lapua also end up with OSA in due course?
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jsa54 wrote:So, OSA are also the Australian distributor for Sierra and Hornady projectiles. Hmm, the words 'monopolised market' come to mind. Our sport is about to get a whole lot more expensive....but at least NIOA are an alternate with Lapua...oh that's right, Capstone owns both Berger and Lapua, so will Lapua also end up with OSA in due course?


Herrons is also an importer for Hornady products.

I'd urge people to try different brands compared to Bergers. Ack Bergers have the rep, but we measured 500 rounds of ELD-M and 500 Rounds of Bergers and the Base to Ogive Runnout was a wash between the 2 brands. Bergers were less consistent with OAL because Hornady uses the Poly Tips vs HPs with Bergers - not that this matters. But everyone is tearing their hair out over Bergers as if they are the only option. It's weird.

Below is my load for 140gr ELD-Ms with my 6.5 Creedmoor.

Also, 155gr SMKs are fine.... but their runnout is pretty wild. Try 155gr ELD-Ms. They are far more consistent in their design and weight.
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Have you triedthe Berger 140 vlds in that gun?

Driving 200 gns out of a 308 I've been round the block. Hornady, Nosler Sierra. I'm back with Berger because they are the best option.
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Tim L wrote:Have you triedthe Berger 140 vlds in that gun?

Driving 200 gns out of a 308 I've been round the block. Hornady, Nosler Sierra. I'm back with Berger because they are the best option.
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No, I haven't tried VLDs in this rifle. I've previously tried VLDs in a different 6.5 Creedmoor. They were pretty finicky for jump sensitivity but they are definitely good with a nice .307 G7 BC.

I'm generally not a fan of Bergers. I find their supply to be inconsistent and they are the most expensive option. I got the 140gr ELD-Ms for $54 a box. The last lot of Bergers I bought were $130 a box.

I've found Berger and Hornady to be fairly equivalent to each other, though Berger puts up with more stress on the jackets born from faster twists, where as the softer jackets on Hornady can lead to jacket separation above 310,000 RPM.

The only time I reach for Bergers now is for the 185s in the sub 20" 308s as those are peak performance for SAAMI spec loads, making them the best option in this case, but the 178gr ELD-X and M are right there with them and when my current lot of 185s are gone i'll be swapping over to the ELD-Ms.

Attached is 140gr VLD vs 140gr ELD-M vs a 1/2 MOA target at 1000y. Bergers are expensive, hard to get a constant supply of, the VLDs can be finicky, all for .2% impact probability.

Nosler and Sierra are different breeds. I find them to be similar to each other but in a lower league than Berger or Hornady. Which isn't to say they are bad, just less consistent.
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PeteFox wrote:
This is getting quickly to a place where a space definitely exists for a local manufacturer of 7mm's.
Pete

Such as Copperhead Bullets who make a lovely 180gn bullet. Similar BC to 180 hybrid, very consistent and accurate. I use them in my older 9" barrels which wont stabilize 183 Sierras.
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Thanks Rod for your support and kind words
Just to respond to Peter Fox
Re This is getting quickly to a place where a space definitely exists for a local manufacturer of 7mm's.
As a small business cash flow is important to my business financially
And to have $50-$150K tied up in jackets is not a profitable investment for me
As Berger/Capstone and their owners NAMMO are very difficult to purchase from , as if want to purchase one type of jacket, (they require me to purchase 20K-50K of jackets(one type)) then it costs $10K plus duties and shipping just as an example for one lot of jackets and ….then wait 12-18 months for them and l use between 12-15 different types of jackets for the various calibers and weights that l can manufacture
Not to mention the $’s invested in the Carbide forming dies and punches to make the bulllets
I have had currently 15K plus of the 7mm (to make the 180 grain bulllets)for over 12 months now and it’s very frustrating because I can’t get a delivery date on them!!!
But I have been able to get some of the jackets for the 184-185 grain bulllets
I appreciate your support and patience, as l am trying to clear my backlog of orders when supplies become available.
Ken @ Copperhead Bulllets
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Ken,
it wasn't a criticism directed at anyone, it just a simple statement that there is a vacancy in the market for a supplier of 7mm's as the demand is not being met

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BATattack wrote:If bullets do land and they are at a reasonable price I can see them being scattered about the country. Back woods gun shops having 200 180 hybrids covered in a layer of dust instead of key retailers having viable stock.

This may be a good thing as some of those key retailers are territorial on who they sell to.
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