The Castlemaine PM is on Saturday the 3rd of November. Aggregate trophies 1st, 2nd and 3rd (only 1st for F Open)
Badges 5 A, 3 B, 3 C, target rifle.
3 each for FA & FB, 1 only for F Open.
Come on guys, its almost like you are saying don't bother coming if you shoot F Open.
Horsham had a great roll up of F Openers.
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Barry Davies
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It's a bit like the chicken and the egg.
Do the promoters put the badges on in the hope it will attract more entries or is it a case of show us your interested and we will put the badges on ( next year )
Promotion is just that in my opinion. What the organizations must do if they are serious about promoting this sport is put it on, advertise it widely, and above all support other organizations in their endeavour to attract competitors.
Too often organizations grizzle about not being supported, well I think they have to bite the bit and take some chances. From what I see in my travels these organizations are making good profits, considering, in some cases the ( bloody awful ) trophies they put up ( mostly donated )and the lack of badges.
Prize money is generally a thing of the past, trophies are mostly donated so they are making good money on the day. Most organizations are now getting badges made in Pakistan at a fraction of local costs so a couple more is not going to hurt.
To the organizations-- Promote, It's not going to cost you much and the rewards are there to be had.
Barry
Do the promoters put the badges on in the hope it will attract more entries or is it a case of show us your interested and we will put the badges on ( next year )
Promotion is just that in my opinion. What the organizations must do if they are serious about promoting this sport is put it on, advertise it widely, and above all support other organizations in their endeavour to attract competitors.
Too often organizations grizzle about not being supported, well I think they have to bite the bit and take some chances. From what I see in my travels these organizations are making good profits, considering, in some cases the ( bloody awful ) trophies they put up ( mostly donated )and the lack of badges.
Prize money is generally a thing of the past, trophies are mostly donated so they are making good money on the day. Most organizations are now getting badges made in Pakistan at a fraction of local costs so a couple more is not going to hurt.
To the organizations-- Promote, It's not going to cost you much and the rewards are there to be had.
Barry
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HISTORY
Hi Danny,
Unfortunately if you were to look at history, this prize meeting has not been visited by many F Open shooters over the past 3 years. Entries each year has been only 2.
In 2009 I attended after traveling for 2.5 hours, and was told Open was cancelled. Fortunately another shooter decided to shoot Open, and I was able to compete, and to their credit they provided trophies.
If I go this year, I'll probably have the 308 barrel thrown in for good measure. If I can get those Sierra's to work in time, or maybe it was the scope!
Mike.
Unfortunately if you were to look at history, this prize meeting has not been visited by many F Open shooters over the past 3 years. Entries each year has been only 2.
In 2009 I attended after traveling for 2.5 hours, and was told Open was cancelled. Fortunately another shooter decided to shoot Open, and I was able to compete, and to their credit they provided trophies.
If I go this year, I'll probably have the 308 barrel thrown in for good measure. If I can get those Sierra's to work in time, or maybe it was the scope!
Mike.
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[quote="Barry Davies"]It's a bit like the chicken and the egg.
Do the promoters put the badges on in the hope it will attract more entries or is it a case of show us your interested and we will put the badges on ( next year )
Promotion is just that in my opinion. What the organizations must do if they are serious about promoting this sport is put it on, advertise it widely, and above all support other organizations in their endeavour to attract competitors.
Too often organizations grizzle about not being supported, well I think they have to bite the bit and take some chances. From what I see in my travels these organizations are making good profits, considering, in some cases the ( bloody awful ) trophies they put up ( mostly donated )and the lack of badges.
Prize money is generally a thing of the past, trophies are mostly donated so they are making good money on the day. Most organizations are now getting badges made in Pakistan at a fraction of local costs so a couple more is not going to hurt.
Barry,
When I read your comments about prize money.I was surprised,because I thought the rules covered distribution of entry fees as prize money. because my rule book is a bit dated, I decided to consult the newest rules on the NRAA site.Whether because of my inability to master the published rules, or there are no rules covering prize money,I was not able to find any reference to prize money. In my area prize money is still distributed. Perhaps some person more in touch with current rules could comment.
Mike H.
Do the promoters put the badges on in the hope it will attract more entries or is it a case of show us your interested and we will put the badges on ( next year )
Promotion is just that in my opinion. What the organizations must do if they are serious about promoting this sport is put it on, advertise it widely, and above all support other organizations in their endeavour to attract competitors.
Too often organizations grizzle about not being supported, well I think they have to bite the bit and take some chances. From what I see in my travels these organizations are making good profits, considering, in some cases the ( bloody awful ) trophies they put up ( mostly donated )and the lack of badges.
Prize money is generally a thing of the past, trophies are mostly donated so they are making good money on the day. Most organizations are now getting badges made in Pakistan at a fraction of local costs so a couple more is not going to hurt.
Barry,
When I read your comments about prize money.I was surprised,because I thought the rules covered distribution of entry fees as prize money. because my rule book is a bit dated, I decided to consult the newest rules on the NRAA site.Whether because of my inability to master the published rules, or there are no rules covering prize money,I was not able to find any reference to prize money. In my area prize money is still distributed. Perhaps some person more in touch with current rules could comment.
Mike H.
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Like I said Mike,
Prize Money is "generally " a thing of the past. There are only a couple of PM's left in Vic that pay out, mostly are trophies and badges only. Not that that is a bad thing, providing the trophies are of reasonable value.
You will find no reference to prize money in SSR's -- the days are long gone when it was dictated to clubs/DRA's how much they could syphon off the top.
Personally I think it immaterial as to whether the organizers pay out or simply provide trophies, medallions and badges. The important thing is that the shooter gets value for money.
Some PM's I have been to are simply a money making affair and we no longer support them ( nor do a lot of others) These organizations really need to sit down and decide whether ther are there for their own benefit or for the promotion of this sport of ours.
Barry
Prize Money is "generally " a thing of the past. There are only a couple of PM's left in Vic that pay out, mostly are trophies and badges only. Not that that is a bad thing, providing the trophies are of reasonable value.
You will find no reference to prize money in SSR's -- the days are long gone when it was dictated to clubs/DRA's how much they could syphon off the top.
Personally I think it immaterial as to whether the organizers pay out or simply provide trophies, medallions and badges. The important thing is that the shooter gets value for money.
Some PM's I have been to are simply a money making affair and we no longer support them ( nor do a lot of others) These organizations really need to sit down and decide whether ther are there for their own benefit or for the promotion of this sport of ours.
Barry
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As far as I am aware, without exception, all OPMs in SA pay entry fee less expenses back as prize money. It's only in Vic that we have seen the no prize money situation. Like Barry, it doesn't really concern me if the shoot is worth going to. What makes a good event though involves a whole lot of factors, not just the trophies. And on that point, I prefer the badges/medallions over actual trophies that become meaningless once you get them home as they have no connection to the source, whereas a badge or medallion will always tell me what I have achieved at a given event.
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Correct me if Im wrong but the way I read this thread, you're reasoning for poor or non attendance is the prizes or lack of. SERIOUSLY !!
How about it's a day out doing something you enjoy at the same time meeting people of like minds. What about supporting not just the club you're attending but the sport as a whole. Thats where my "Value For Money" comes from... Shoot against yourself, do the best you can and if you walk away with something or nothing it's a bonus. Be happy with a meat tray, a plastic badge made in Pakistan or even nothing !!
You may read this and say 'a bit over the top' but I'm one of those people that has a chuckle at the blokes shooting for 'Sheep Stations' ... I dont chuckle anymore I shake my head ........
Here's a novel idea .. what about we promote the OPM's as an enjoyable day out ... not what prizes are there !!! That way .. everyone's a winner .....
How about it's a day out doing something you enjoy at the same time meeting people of like minds. What about supporting not just the club you're attending but the sport as a whole. Thats where my "Value For Money" comes from... Shoot against yourself, do the best you can and if you walk away with something or nothing it's a bonus. Be happy with a meat tray, a plastic badge made in Pakistan or even nothing !!
You may read this and say 'a bit over the top' but I'm one of those people that has a chuckle at the blokes shooting for 'Sheep Stations' ... I dont chuckle anymore I shake my head ........
Here's a novel idea .. what about we promote the OPM's as an enjoyable day out ... not what prizes are there !!! That way .. everyone's a winner .....
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Prize meetings - its a tough one. You have a small proportion of the shooting population putting in the time and effort to plan and organise them, and hoping they will attract enough support to make it worthwhile to do it all again next year.
One thing we have learnt at Rosedale is that key element for the success of the OPM is sponsorship, preferably from businesses and not members. If you have sufficient funding, you can run a quality meeting, and give good value to the shooters. Some clubs appear to look upon the prize meeting as their major annual revenue raiser. If a meeting appears to put a high priority on making money, shooters will resist.
There are concerns about attendance levels at some OPMs. There is no obligation on anyone to support OPMs, but if one by one they fall by the wayside, I hope the volunteers who organise them don't get the blame. At least they are making an effort. If someone thinks its not good enough, perhaps they should step up and put in themselves.
Alan
One thing we have learnt at Rosedale is that key element for the success of the OPM is sponsorship, preferably from businesses and not members. If you have sufficient funding, you can run a quality meeting, and give good value to the shooters. Some clubs appear to look upon the prize meeting as their major annual revenue raiser. If a meeting appears to put a high priority on making money, shooters will resist.
There are concerns about attendance levels at some OPMs. There is no obligation on anyone to support OPMs, but if one by one they fall by the wayside, I hope the volunteers who organise them don't get the blame. At least they are making an effort. If someone thinks its not good enough, perhaps they should step up and put in themselves.
Alan
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AlanF wrote: Some clubs appear to look upon the prize meeting as their major annual revenue raiser.
Alan
I think it is sad when this is the case, I prefer to think of our OPM as being an opportunity to take some pride in my club and provide shooters with a great day out, good fellowship with some laughs and a good meal thrown in. But each to their own I guess.
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Alan & Lynn. . Too much emphasis is placed on 'how much money we can make' or 'which club provides the best prize'. Thats the issue. This is not a reflection on what I call 'The Few' who commit themselves to organising these events. Trust me I know ... It's about supporting those 'few' and those 'clubs'. That was my point.
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fclass556 wrote:Alan & Lynn. . Too much emphasis is placed on 'how much money we can make' or 'which club provides the best prize'. Thats the issue. This is not a reflection on what I call 'The Few' who commit themselves to organising these events. Trust me I know ... It's about supporting those 'few' and those 'clubs'. That was my point.
Point taken.
However I don't fully agree with you that we take the competitive side of shooting OPMs too seriously. Everyone is different and has there own way of enjoying events. When I am on the mound, being sociable is not a high priority.
Alan
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I agree with Alan, there is plenty of time in a day to be sociable but when I am on the mound I am there to WIN. That after all is what open competition is all about and for that 15 mins that is my focus. 
I don't give two hoots about the prizes but I always go out there with the intention of winning.
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Prize Meetings ARE Competition primarily.
Prize meetings ARE a social day out as well.
Deadly serious stuff when on the mound shooting but firstly one has to get involved and compete to appreciate this. Too many "stay at homes" who don't support.
The purpose of this thread was primarily to encourage some organizations to get serious about a very important aspect of our sport and put up a little more to encourage attendance.
Whether or not you attend is entirely personal. However there are those who spend a great deal of time and money supporting most competitions, and there are those who give nil support.
In some cases what is on offer ( for the competitive side ) is by no means in proportion to the cost -- and I do not refer to cash.
There are those who go solely to win and there are those who go solely for the social side.
Going back to the initial theme of this post -- one badge for any grade or discipline is ( in my opinion ) plain miserable, cash prizes was never the issue, it was mentioned in passing as generally being a thing of the past.
Nice to get some though.
Barry
Prize meetings ARE a social day out as well.
Deadly serious stuff when on the mound shooting but firstly one has to get involved and compete to appreciate this. Too many "stay at homes" who don't support.
The purpose of this thread was primarily to encourage some organizations to get serious about a very important aspect of our sport and put up a little more to encourage attendance.
Whether or not you attend is entirely personal. However there are those who spend a great deal of time and money supporting most competitions, and there are those who give nil support.
In some cases what is on offer ( for the competitive side ) is by no means in proportion to the cost -- and I do not refer to cash.
There are those who go solely to win and there are those who go solely for the social side.
Going back to the initial theme of this post -- one badge for any grade or discipline is ( in my opinion ) plain miserable, cash prizes was never the issue, it was mentioned in passing as generally being a thing of the past.
Nice to get some though.
Barry
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