Geoff Grenfell and the Belmont wind

bartman007 · Post by **bartman007** » Tue Aug 21, 2012 11:37 am

I'm not sure if I am reading this correctly, it looks like you are saying that only the top 20% get to shoot the "last day or range of the day" that is, the other 80% don't get to shoot it. I seriously hope I am misreading this for a whole lot of reasons, one of them being that why did the other 80% pay their money and why would you bother to enter at all if you weren't sure you were in the top 20% or so etc.

Lynn, I believe it goes something like that at Bisley. In that the top x% of shooters get to shoot off for the prize on the last day. I've never shot it, but I think that is how it goes.

So after a few days competition, if you aren't in that top x%, then the chances of you taking out the event are quite slim (unless recent events intervene!) It comes down to my original comment around what are we trying to highlight, who is the best or luckiest shooter?

I'm all for squadding the top x% of shooters together for the last day, or range, as it does give you a real buzz. I was in a 3 way shoot off at an OPM last year, and it was pretty cool to have the other 2 guys on the mound at exactly the same time! And you know that at the end of that shoot, you each had exactly the same conditions!

1000 yards seems to be the killer distance. Why not simply do away with it in favour of a second 900 yards.

While I'm not a great fan of 1000 yards, I don't think any shooter is less disadvantaged than any other at that range. So it shouldn't be swapped for 900 yards on that reason. Because we could say, that at Belmont lets make it 800 yards instead, as it gets a LOT tricky at times.

WA does have this correct with a re- squad at 1000 yards.

Everyone goes through, with the top shooters down last, so when they get up, the winner is known right there and then.

Southcape, WA is only 1 state. How could they possibly get it correct

Seddo · Post by **Seddo** » Tue Aug 21, 2012 1:22 pm

I have never been to a multi day rifle shoot so its hard to comment but i dont see there beign any issue with havign different squadding on every day. I know thats what they do in golf and on the last day you see the best at the end.

Brad Y · Post by **Brad Y** » Tue Aug 21, 2012 1:48 pm

Definitely feel sorry for those who copped the worst of it. But thats life. The wind isnt a constant and predictable thing and thats why we shoot.

I know we arent far away and lots of people already have plans, but with all this positive press it looks like next years WA Queens could be a big event!

Cameron Mc · Post by **Cameron Mc** » Tue Aug 21, 2012 2:11 pm

For me the elements are part of our sport. Take away varying conditions and it would be very boring.

I just treated that 1000yd shoot as a challange and was happy with my 51.
My better half managed 53 and was on top of the world.

Cameron Mc · Post by **Cameron Mc** » Tue Aug 21, 2012 3:10 pm

Just my opinion, I don't believe we have enough numbers in F Class to squad the top shooters at the last range.

Cameron

bartman007 · Post by **bartman007** » Tue Aug 21, 2012 3:19 pm

Ah Cameron, you did have a pretty good knock in those conditions.

I wasn't going to say anything about Julie's fine shoot, but it was better than yours by a whole 2 points :shock:

I think you'll have to start asking her for advice if she continues to get the upper hand :wink:

johnk · Post by **johnk** » Tue Aug 21, 2012 4:23 pm

Seddo wrote:I have never been to a multi day rifle shoot so its hard to comment but i dont see there beign any issue with havign different squadding on every day. I know thats what they do in golf and on the last day you see the best at the end.

It's easy to do in a golf environment when you start with a restricted field & cut it back even further for the final day, and at Bisley when all but 300 of the 1000 plus shooters don't get to shoot the second day & only 100 qualify for the Queens final, but at Aussie Queens shoots, everybody traditionally expects to shoot every match at every distance, outcomes of social immoderation excluded.

Considering the number of the latter who have difficulties remembering to secure all their possessions when they finalise their firing point duties, I fear that it would be a challenge of some magnitude to have them assimilate a new squadding each day, eh Lefty?

Cameron Mc · Post by **Cameron Mc** » Tue Aug 21, 2012 7:39 pm

bartman007 wrote:Ah Cameron, you did have a pretty good knock in those conditions.

I wasn't going to say anything about Julie's fine shoot, but it was better than yours by a whole 2 points

I think you'll have to start asking her for advice if she continues to get the upper hand

Mick, I am already asking for tips. She told me after I shot which flags to watch :shock:

Post by **AlanF** » Tue Aug 21, 2012 7:50 pm

Cameron,

You could try going back to the Leupold...

Alan

saum2 · Post by **saum2** » Tue Aug 21, 2012 8:22 pm

I thought there might have been more shooting gear "for sale" after Brisbane!...

Southcape · Post by **Southcape** » Tue Aug 21, 2012 8:59 pm

johnk wrote:
Considering the number of the latter who have difficulties remembering to secure all their possessions when they finalise their firing point duties, I fear that it would be a challenge of some magnitude to have them assimilate a new squadding each day, eh Lefty?

*Laughs quietly behind hand* :lol:

alocky · Post by **alocky** » Mon Sep 03, 2012 9:30 pm

DaveMc wrote:I do have to say that I really enjoyed it in WA. To be lying down with the two closest guys in the competition on either side of you at the same time on the last range was a thrill. It certainly took the feeling of "luck" out of it. We were all dealt the same conditions and in very similar lanes and it was what you did with the run of wind that made the difference.

I disagree - You got your 60.xx away before I'd got to load a single round, and I maintain the conditions went sour in those few seconds before I opened up!
cheers,
Andrew