M.o.a versus Millitadians?

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Hi , found a great artical on the difference of moa and Millitadians . Thought it maybe of interest!

http://snipershide.scout.com/story/1528 ... -you?s=541

Hope the link works . Regards Graham.

[AlanF]

Graham,

Two pieces of advice :

1) Just call them mils (short for milliradians)
2) If you have a choice (for F-Class) go MOA

Alan

[shooter mcreid]

Graham,
You would have to be the only crazy cat I know who uses mils?

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Hi Allan , unfortunately , I learnt in Mills so going back to Moa is challenging for me to say the least ! I think in that artical the Gentalman agrees with you about moa and f class and I do too!

But for field hunting at extended ranges mills is a lot simpler to work with.

My turrents are 10 mm per click or near half minute clicks on both windage and elevation. Maybe too coarse for F Class. However for those of us fools who like lr hunting it can be overcome by holding off slightly.

I know our wind couch at the rescent city v Counrty had a hard time trying to work with it and it did cost a number of points !

This is the proof ! As I think I'm the only one in F Class ( well it seems like it ) that competes with it !

I do have a number of people asking what the difference is between moa and mills and thought that this artical may help.

Yes , Milliradians gives one writer's cramp! Lol!
Regards Graham

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Graham,
You would have to be the only crazy cat I know who uses mils?

It's funny Josh as that what I was just typing as u posted !

Hey u never know I might start a new trend ! Mmmm maybe not! Lol!

[mike H]

Graham,
You would have to be the only crazy cat I know who uses mils?

It's funny Josh as that what I was just typing as u posted !

Hey u never know I might start a new trend ! Mmmm maybe not! Lol!

One of my boys,not knowing anything about the finer points of these matters,bought a scope with millradians,a bit coarse in adjustment for F/class perhaps,but for Match Rifle is quite good.If you think of one click as 3/8"and hold off you will have no trouble.
Mike.

[AlanF]

Mike,

Everything will be fine for someone who can do the maths themselves. Just don't expect other F-Class shooters to be able to answer the question "How many mils do I come up from 300 to 500?", and don't expect coaches to want you in their team!

Alan

[Brad Y]

Mike,

Everything will be fine for someone who can do the maths themselves. Just don't expect other F-Class shooters to be able to answer the question "How many mils do I come up from 300 to 500?", and don't expect coaches to want you in their team!

Alan

Have spoken to a well respected member on here recently about this- although more in terms of windage. Im in the market for a new scope and was discussing with him moving from a fine crosshair with dot to the Nightforce FCR1 reticle, purely so I can shoot at 40x and get more feedback from my sighters about what the wind is doing in MOA, not rings (or dots if thats what you use). His response was along the lines of he did it a few years ago and it really improved his shooting. From memory also said it was a real positive step in terms of development for team shooting and coaching as well. I know reticles are a personal choice, but with the sport being based around MOA, I struggle to see how people can use other forms of adjustments effectively. Not intending taking a swipe at you Graham, I take my hat off to you if your able to do the maths and have it working effectively for you- I couldnt thats for sure!

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Brad as Kermitt once said ' it's not easy being green"!

Yep if I ever was and a big if , to represent Austalian or Qld . I would most likely get looked over because of mils ! So it looks like a solo career for me !

My main reason to get into f class was hunting ( being able to rangefind) but somewhere along the way fell in love with the sport and the people!

[John23]

MOA and Mils

I have used both and honestly prefer MOA.
Reason being
#1 pretty much everyone speaks MOA.
#2 Scopes generally come in 0.1mil which equates to 0.36MOA
#3 MOA makes my brain hurt a Little less.

I have used mil to range distance and it works well as long as you can make a good judgement of what size target you are looking at.
Getting a good idea of the height of the grass ect as a reference to judge the size of your target was my strategy.
Although pretty effective it never gave me much confidence.

The same can be done with a MOA reticle although the equation is slightly less easy to remember.

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There are some cool pros for mills for wind reading and I have mentioned before ! At 500yds and 600 yds 1 mph equals .1 mill correction at full value wind plus or minus spin d for my .308 load . With the Tmr rectile I can change on the fly ! But really any decent wind reader can do that whether mills or moa.

Anyway I hope the article explained the difference and at the least was interesting ! Better than watching Neighbours!


Above looking through nightforce at 32 x at a 12" gong at 1675 m and a site stick at 2450 mm high to get the range with a 338 something do hiki! Was 19,5 mills elevation or 66.08 moa.



Target is on the hillside on the bare patch of dirt on the right of the picture .



Yep getting of topic again but better than neighbours! A fired 338 300 gr pill at the target end !

[Amac]

Hey Graham

Some of us with a military background prior to starting out on this enjoyable sport will understand Mils quite easily. However, I am a MOA shooter now. I do have a few scopes that are in Mils and can use them on the range without any issue.

Personally, the finer adjustment available with the MOA scopes is probably the kicker for me.

Like the photos - have to work out a time and place to stretch the Edge's out too.

Cheers

Andrew

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Hi mate , it's best windcoach this side of the black stump ( retired !)lol!

Yep love to have ya out sometime out at Cadarga high altitude training spot !
Best wishes Graham Sells.

[Amac]

Sounds like a plan. After we get through the competition season I reckon I'll take a trip out.

Who knows might have another go at the wind coaching one of these days......

You coming to Bundy - 30 and 31 May?

Cheers

Andrew

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Yes planning on it . So hopefully see u there !

I'm still laughing about that wind coaching , rock , paper , scissors thing lol! Cheers