an expert at a sport.

[bruce moulds]

today on the radio, i heard what is apparrently the definition of an expert in a sport.
it is that you have to have completed 10,000 hours in training and competition.
for us, that is a lot of years shooting and wind reading.
the good news is that we can have the pleasure of learning for many years.
keep safe,
bruce.

[Brad Y]

Surely that must mean you are an expert at the sport of pimping bruce

[DaveMc]

Bruce, The figure of 10,000 repititions is often quoted to get muscle memory entrenched so I have no doubt it may take this long to be "expert" in almost any field. But we may see the most improvement in the first 10,000 shots (say 90% of potential - the last 10% takes a lot longer)

Considering the average F classer bangs 12 down in around 5 minutes (rounded for easy comparison) and shoots 2 ranges every couple of weeks with not much in between then we can assume.

1) at 144 rounds an hour and 10,000 hours it would take 144,000 rounds to reach this goal. (and 72 *284 barrels)
2) at an average of 12 rounds per week this would also take 12,000 weeks or 230 years.

Another way to look at it: To reach this goal in 10 years would require a firing rate of around 277 rounds per week in proper range conditions. Might be acheivable for a professional shooter?? Even a Queens and leadup generally doesn't give you this rate of fire.

[Razer]

Does dry firing count

It definitely saves on barrel wear, cases, powder and projectiles.
Saves all that reloading also, or, do we need to do 10,000 hours of that as well

[johnk]

Sounds like a bunch of people here doing dry something..........

[DaveMc]

Does dry firing count

It definitely saves on barrel wear, cases, powder and projectiles.
Saves all that reloading also, or, do we need to do 10,000 hours of that as well

It takes me an hour + to load for my 10 minutes of shooting so it is slightly scary the thought of actually trying to achieve any of this in a lifetime.

Although all this is said with some tongue in cheek and (as John points out so eloquently) an expert is not really definable by hours and is really a relative term to any field (ie someone who has more knowledge/skill on the subject than nearly anyone else) it is nonetheless an interesting contemplation. In particular - how little training we actually do in this sport. No doubt we do a lot of thinking, loading, talking etc but actual wind reading and trigger time is miniscule.

[RDavies]

Remember, there is more to F Class than just the shooting.
Now, if you add up the time it takes to prep brass, clean barrels, load ammo, pull bullets out and reload ammo after you find the load was no good, set up rests and do all those other things which take an hour every few nights, then I think that would take you up a bit closer to the expert stage.
Just when you think you are at the expert stage, some stupid wind change reminds you that we are all beginner/intermediates, with occaisional brushes with good luck.

[RAVEN]

Rod don't forget the TALK SHIT bit

[ratshot]

Also dont forget the internet expert , lots of knowledge of other peoples theorys , they can even tell you the BC of the fore mentioned SHIT. but the lack of practical experience brings them undone. we are all apprentices of the wind and mirage.

[bruce moulds]

davemc,
you sound like a bit of a machine gunner.
at lower light you need to allow 10 min at least for 10 to count or you can come seriously unstuck.
keep safe,
bruce.

[DaveMc]

Ahh Bruce - there is a time and a place for everything.