Lapua. 308 Palma Brass
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I would suggest leaving the flash holes as they are, they are like that for a reason and it's not to open them up !!! Theroy has it that the small flash hole causes the "flame" from the primer to be funnelled into the powder column to create a more complete, consistant burn, I have tried the Palma brass using several types of primers and have gone back to LR brass as the results just weren't there for me. I think John may have good results due to using 2206.
Matt P
PS John got any 2206 you want to sell ????
Matt P
PS John got any 2206 you want to sell ????
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DannyS wrote:Mmm, so if thats the case, should users of. 220 Russian/PPCs, BRs and 6.5x47mm Lapua also open up the size of the flash holes?
I was under the impression that's what they all do, and that's why BRT sell the k&m tool.
I use a 6.5x47. It only comes with SR primer pocket and small flash hole.
Given the option,(308), you can only try the two different types of brass and see where you end up.
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As you say Matt, there is a reason why the flash holes are the size they are, and I'm not about going to change them. My 6br cases come with the small flash hole and my Wilson 6br dies have the small decapper, therefore they are obviously meant to be that way.
I can only presume that the. 308 Palma cases are designed in the same manner.
I can only presume that the. 308 Palma cases are designed in the same manner.
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G'Day OutttaAmmo,
Re flash hole reaming, I did a check of Sinclair flash hole reamers. They come in 2 sizes (I don't know about K&M) 1 will do small flash holes will enlarge to. 0625 and the other for large flash holes will do to. 081.
I don't think they are necessarily designed to enlarge small flash holes to large ones, however, I could well be out of my depth here and treading water. Hopefully there are no crocs about.
I'm happy to be corrected.
Cheers
Re flash hole reaming, I did a check of Sinclair flash hole reamers. They come in 2 sizes (I don't know about K&M) 1 will do small flash holes will enlarge to. 0625 and the other for large flash holes will do to. 081.
I don't think they are necessarily designed to enlarge small flash holes to large ones, however, I could well be out of my depth here and treading water. Hopefully there are no crocs about.
I'm happy to be corrected.
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Hi Danny,
Yeah the flash hole tools are just taking a minimal amount to make them uniform and mostly are for demurring the inside of the flash hole.
I don't think you are supposed to make the small flash hole into a large one.
Apologies if anyone thought this was what I meant.
Barry, I'm thinking that flash hole sizes have to be relative ( correct ratio to an extent) to primer size. Otherwise bad things might happen.
Cheers
Casey
Yeah the flash hole tools are just taking a minimal amount to make them uniform and mostly are for demurring the inside of the flash hole.
I don't think you are supposed to make the small flash hole into a large one.
Apologies if anyone thought this was what I meant.
Barry, I'm thinking that flash hole sizes have to be relative ( correct ratio to an extent) to primer size. Otherwise bad things might happen.
Cheers
Casey
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Barry, your logic is probably right and I don't see anything unsafe in doing it. My point was more, if the palma case belongs to a family of similar cases all with small flash holes and those other cases are recognised as very accurate calibres, then there is a reason for the small flash hole and we probably shouldn't change it.
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I was interested in this topic and did a google search and found this info from the Lapua website:
"To achieve their ultimate in accuracy potential, Lapua’s .308 Winchester Palma cases utilize the same small diameter flash hole found in our .220 Russian and 6mm BR match cases. For proper depriming, the decapping pins in many makes of reloading dies should be replaced with the smaller diameter pins intended for the .220 Russian/PPC or Lapua 6mm BR cases. Failure to do so may result in sticking the decapping pins or damaging the flash holes."
This is from the last paragraph from the brochure re' .308W palma case found at:
http://www.lapua.com/upload/downloads/b ... se2010.pdf
Cheers,
trxdick
"To achieve their ultimate in accuracy potential, Lapua’s .308 Winchester Palma cases utilize the same small diameter flash hole found in our .220 Russian and 6mm BR match cases. For proper depriming, the decapping pins in many makes of reloading dies should be replaced with the smaller diameter pins intended for the .220 Russian/PPC or Lapua 6mm BR cases. Failure to do so may result in sticking the decapping pins or damaging the flash holes."
This is from the last paragraph from the brochure re' .308W palma case found at:
http://www.lapua.com/upload/downloads/b ... se2010.pdf
Cheers,
trxdick
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In our experience (and many others) with some other calibers the small primer, small flashole works really well with fast powders e.g. 2208 and up. As you get into 2209 and slower a bit more power is required and the large primer or magnum small rifle and/or opening up flashole helps with ignition and velocity variation. 2208 seems to work well with both LR and SR.
This seems to hold true for 6PPC, 6BR, 6-6.5x47 especially in cold climates.
Considering the "PALMA" brass was designed for long range 155 class bullets I would suggest Lapua are aiming at low velocity spread with the faster powders too! and perhaps with a few of the faster Vihtavouri powders they observed better velocity spread?? Velocity spread is probably not as big a concern for 6PPC shooters as 1000 yard PALMA shooters though!
This seems to hold true for 6PPC, 6BR, 6-6.5x47 especially in cold climates.
Considering the "PALMA" brass was designed for long range 155 class bullets I would suggest Lapua are aiming at low velocity spread with the faster powders too! and perhaps with a few of the faster Vihtavouri powders they observed better velocity spread?? Velocity spread is probably not as big a concern for 6PPC shooters as 1000 yard PALMA shooters though!
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