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[DaveMc]

[bruce moulds]

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[AlanF]

[bruce moulds]

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[Norm]

[flatlina]

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Bruce I don't comprehend some of what you say re the killing all the time. Can you explain to me the phrase " stocks totally unsuited to killing people use " . I have quite few rifles with mags that vary in capacity from 3 to 30, plus shotguns that hold 2 to 15 but the most rifles I have of one kind are single shot ones. I use a Savage 10FP with a 10 shot mag kit for F class. It is scary black as is the NF 12 to 42 on it. I tried to buy a Barnard that was for sale on here this week but missed out. As far as some of the rifles not having good optics I beg to differ as the ones I see at our range have very high end scopes for the most part. The ones that don't have usually been fed bullshit by the local gunshop and sold what they had. A little talk and showing them another option usually helps them. There is no conspiracy to take over NRAA, it is about growing the shooting sports.

Regards
john bellman

[MCLE]

I am new to this forum and to Fclass.On a whim l decided to try fclass one day a little over two years ago and liked it I was made feel welcome and have made some good friends.But and there's always a but I don't have a Fclass rifle I never have had one ( one day l will) l have turned up to comps with some of my tactical rifles eg Accurisy International AE MK ll Accurisy International AW a Tubb 2000 and a DTA SRS I have even won a couple of ranges with them now they are as far removed from traditional style Fclass rifles as you can get..The few negative comments that l have received haven't come from Fclass shooters they have in the most part come from the full bore guys and I have found this interesting as we don't shoot against each other but the attitudes of the traditional guys may be turning some new shooters away?.I have fun with what l have and this is what it is all about.We need to reach out and encourage other shooters to our sport even if it means we have to change the way we do things so be it.One thing that has been pointed out to me by younger shooters is that if they put a Saturday aside to go shooting the thought of driving for x amount of time to shoot 24 shots turns them off.Maybe we need to shake up the way we do things a little or our sport may suffer a decline that will be hard to turn around.just a thought .

[Sam Walker]

One thing just about any shooter can do, regardless of what flavour of rifle you like, is to offer the genuinely interested newcomers a shot ! It's quite intimidating to turn up to a range for the first time, with little or no knowledge of how to get into the sport. Being noticed, and welcomed will make a big difference to the potential new shooter, and they usually are very pleased to have a go. I've done this a few times, only once at an F Class shoot when the opportunity came up - I just said to them, if you buy a packet of ammo (I had none spare) you can shoot my rifle. So father and son got 10 rounds each away, at 800m and absolutely loved it. Due to my work roster I couldn't attend very often, was not a member and soon after that moved interstate, so I don't know if they took up F Class or not but at least they got a taste of it, rather than just watching.
I'll always have a bit of spare ammo when I go to my local (SSAA) range and if there are interested visitors, I chat to them and as long as I feel comfortable with them, offer them the chance to have a few shots. Under my close supervision, and have yet to have any issue with doing so.

[bruce moulds]

john,
in answer to your question re stocks that look like the are meant for killing, i suggest you go to such websites as desert tactical arms.
not only do the rifles look like machines designed for warfare and the killing of humans, but the image of what you can be if you own one of these rifles is strongly portrayed.
we should question the right of a person, who regards such image promotion positively, to own a firearm. some companies offer baseball caps with rifles. dta seems to offer a balaklava.
this is the opposite of a modern 300 metre, smallbore,palma, or fclass rifle image.
now is the time for us to promote what we are wherever we can, while distancing ourselves from the dtr image where it counts, with politicians, police firearms branches, and the public.
if we need other disciplines to keep our ranges busy, there are plenty out there, and there are even more people out there who just want to plink.
opening ranges to plinkers could be the best money earner of all.
keep safe,
bruce moulds.

[IanP]

Bruce,

What are you doing right now or plan to do in the future to advance F-Class?

Talking down tactical rifles is not helping advance F-Class its just expressing your personal point of view. Your entitled to your personal point of view and I respect that. The problem is that you repeat the same slur onto tactical rifle users, time and time again.

You have voiced your personal disapproval of tactical rifles and shooters ad nauseam. Perhaps we could disallow shooters with tattoos and who are smokers for bringing our sport into disrepute by not conforming to someones perceived standard.

I ask you again, what are you doing to help advance F-Class apart from causing a few sparks on this forum. What constructive contribution have you made to F-Class recently that we can all learn from and aspire to be like and replicate?????

Ian

[bruce moulds]

ian,
those who are doing things to advance fclass in s.a. know what i am doing, what i have done, and will do.
if you were part of something positive here you would see it yourself.
you obviously cannot understand the point i have been trying to make, which is that tactic/prac will be the undoing of fclass, not its saviour, and that while blindly following the prac/tac path, it is so easy to fail to see better options.
obviously i have a greater love for my sport than you. i would like to keep doing it.
keep safe,
bruce.

[IanP]

A little humour and a metaphor may help the situation! This story is fictional and any resemblance between real people and clubs is only coincidental.

This is a story of obsession and fixation of a car club member. This story is about one club member's fixation on black cars and how this grew to an obsession that these cars would be the downfall of his Blue Car and his White Car Club competitions.

The Black Car Club started out innocently enough but its numbers were growing and it now wanted to be able to compete in motorkhanas with the Blue and White Car Clubs. Most members welcomed the Black Cars into the competition as numbers were dwindling and the Black Car members really knew how to drive their cars well.

The member, Spruce Yeast was his name, knew that all black cars were derived from Mafia staff cars and the public would be upset and frightened to see them in his beloved motorkhanas. He knew this to be a fact, that killers and murderer's drove black cars and nothing could sway him from his opinion.

Luckily for the Blue and White Car Clubs, the majority of the members knew that these cars came fitted with an engine and four wheels just the same as their cars had. The majority of the members also realised that the Black Cars were built to the relevant Australian Standard and were registered and insured and that their drivers were all licensed. In short the only real difference was in the eyes of one vocal member!

Ian

[AlanF]

Ian,

To be fair, Bruce has a concern more about public perception than about the lethal capabilities of the equipment. Let's face it, public perception is important. Most shooting sports try to publicise the softer side of their sport for this reason. Have a look through most shooting publications and see how much young girls are over-represented in the pictures. The current debate in the US will probably result in better public awareness of the difference in capabilities between different types of equipment. We shouldn't let that restrict us completely but it needs to be considered if equipment rules are relaxed.

Alan