NSWRA 2022 Queens Sporter Hunter rules clarification

[bartman007]

Good comments about building a rifle

My thoughts at the minute are as follows:

1. Buy a second hand Rem 700 hunting rifle with a 308 bolt face.
2. Change the stock for a bedded Bell and Carlson stock with adjustable cheek piece.
3. Change the trigger for something a little more reliable and lighter - 300 to 500 grams.
4. Change the barrel for my old 6mm - and cut 4" off its overall length - lots of tears here!
5. Fit harris bipod.
6. Fit Nightforce 5-20x56 SHV scope and rail.

That's about it.

So that is what I mean about building my SH rifle It will start as a basic hunting rifle, then abiding by the rules do the above steps.

[Lithgow]

Good comments about building a rifle

My thoughts at the minute are as follows:

1. Buy a second hand Rem 700 hunting rifle with a 308 bolt face.
2. Change the stock for a bedded Bell and Carlson stock with adjustable cheek piece.
3. Change the trigger for something a little more reliable and lighter - 300 to 500 grams.
4. Change the barrel for my old 6mm - and cut 4" off its overall length - lots of tears here!
5. Fit harris bipod.
6. Fit Nightforce 5-20x56 SHV scope and rail.

That's about it.

So that is what I mean about building my SH rifle It will start as a basic hunting rifle, then abiding by the rules do the above steps.

23.3 would mean you don't meet the SSRs though, you can't change the stock. 'Standard Factory Made'

[macguru]

23.3 would mean you don't meet the SSRs though, you can't change the stock. 'Standard Factory Made'

Clearly that should change when the national rules are revised. Under the rules for NSW at the moment you can...

[Barossa_222]

I've already got my SH rig built. I took a factory Remington VSSF, replaced the action with a Borden Alpine, replaced the barrel with a braked 28" Brux 1:7 HV, replaced the factory trigger with a Jewel, put HS Precision bottom metal in it and had a front pic rail added to the factory stock. I'm all set.

[AlanF]

I've already got my SH rig built. I took a factory Remington VSSF, replaced the action with a Borden Alpine, replaced the barrel with a braked 28" Brux 1:7 HV, replaced the factory trigger with a Jewel, put HS Precision bottom metal in it and had a front pic rail added to the factory stock. I'm all set.

Somehow I don't think this is a serious post. Might be a bit of tongue in cheek?

There's a push for a class where cost doesn't come into consideration. And if the NRAA listens you might get something close to what the majority want. BUT, don't ignore what is happening at club level out in the bush where the majority of our members come from. If there is no low-cost buy-off-the-shelf and be competitive class, then I know my club will be worse off.

[Barossa_222]

I've already got my SH rig built. I took a factory Remington VSSF, replaced the action with a Borden Alpine, replaced the barrel with a braked 28" Brux 1:7 HV, replaced the factory trigger with a Jewel, put HS Precision bottom metal in it and had a front pic rail added to the factory stock. I'm all set.

Somehow I don't think this is a serious post. Might be a bit of tongue in cheek?

There's a push for a class where cost doesn't come into consideration. And if the NRAA listens you might get something close to what the majority want. BUT, don't ignore what is happening at club level out in the bush where the majority of our members come from. If there is no low-cost buy-off-the-shelf and be competitive class, then I know my club will be worse off.

It is very much tongue in cheek Alan. I don't like people who want rules changed to suit themselves. I don't like that an association has set their own set of rules disregarding the SSRs. People are using this class to cherry pick prize meets and queens badges. It is not in keeping with the spirit of why this class was brought in. I do not shoot it at any level, because I believe that it was brought into to further the sport and attract newcomers. It was not meant for experienced shooters to beat up less experienced beginners and get cheap wins.

[Weairy]

I've already got my SH rig built. I took a factory Remington VSSF, replaced the action with a Borden Alpine, replaced the barrel with a braked 28" Brux 1:7 HV, replaced the factory trigger with a Jewel, put HS Precision bottom metal in it and had a front pic rail added to the factory stock. I'm all set.

Nah mate, barrel is too long

[Weairy]

People are using this class to cherry pick prize meets and queens badges. It is not in keeping with the spirit of why this class was brought in. I do not shoot it at any level, because I believe that it was brought into to further the sport and attract newcomers. It was not meant for experienced shooters to beat up less experienced beginners and get cheap wins.

This is the issue and what some of these rule changes are trying to achieve; how do you help prevent experienced F-Class shooters or those with deeper pockets from turning it into an arms race and slapping around the newcomers with their hunting rifle or $800 off-the-shelf Howa combo, without making it too restricted? You can't say "You've been shooting F-Class, piss off and do that", so what then? Rein in the gear? Get rid of rear bags, mats, boards and plates to increase the challenge? Split classes? Split grades? Dollar limits? All the ideas have pros and cons, but I think collectively, we need to come up with a system that works, that isn't a nightmare for ROs/scrutineers to manage. "Factory" and "off the shelf" is very broad and can be bluffed; can you easily tell the difference between a factory stainless barrel and an aftermarket at a glance? What about the likes of a Tikka Tac A1 or Lithgow LA105; you can buy it off the shelf but it's a chassis/adjustable stock rifle designed for target shooting? What about the PSR/PRS shooters that want to mix it up a bit; do we turn them away because they've got rebarreled rifles in tactical chassis'? It's very, very hard to strike a happy balance between inclusiveness and fair competition.

The current rules leave so much open to misinterpretation and confusion. I love the class and I'm passionate about it succeeding (we've sponsored it, made sure it is included in prize meetings, promoted it at every opportunity) but it needs refinement in areas to maintain the spirit of the class.

There's apparently a draft for SSR rule changes for next year; does anyone have any ideas who was involved in writing it or have any drafts been circulated for comment to the wider community? Were any of the clubs with a huge presence of Sporter/Hunter shooters perhaps consulted (the likes of Castlemaine, who are now huge thanks to this class)? It would be great to get some idea of what might be included or where the NRAA think the class is heading before it lands on us.

[Barossa_222]

People are using this class to cherry pick prize meets and queens badges. It is not in keeping with the spirit of why this class was brought in. I do not shoot it at any level, because I believe that it was brought into to further the sport and attract newcomers. It was not meant for experienced shooters to beat up less experienced beginners and get cheap wins.

This is the issue and what some of these rule changes are trying to achieve; how do you help prevent experienced F-Class shooters or those with deeper pockets from turning it into an arms race and slapping around the newcomers with their hunting rifle or $800 off-the-shelf Howa combo, without making it too restricted? You can't say "You've been shooting F-Class, piss off and do that", so what then? Rein in the gear? Get rid of rear bags, mats, boards and plates to increase the challenge? Split classes? Split grades? Dollar limits? All the ideas have pros and cons, but I think collectively, we need to come up with a system that works, that isn't a nightmare for ROs/scrutineers to manage. "Factory" and "off the shelf" is very broad and can be bluffed; can you easily tell the difference between a factory stainless barrel and an aftermarket at a glance? What about the likes of a Tikka Tac A1 or Lithgow LA105; you can buy it off the shelf but it's a chassis/adjustable stock rifle designed for target shooting? What about the PSR/PRS shooters that want to mix it up a bit; do we turn them away because they've got rebarreled rifles in tactical chassis'? It's very, very hard to strike a happy balance between inclusiveness and fair competition.

The current rules leave so much open to misinterpretation and confusion. I love the class and I'm passionate about it succeeding (we've sponsored it, made sure it is included in prize meetings, promoted it at every opportunity) but it needs refinement in areas to maintain the spirit of the class.

There's apparently a draft for SSR rule changes for next year; does anyone have any ideas who was involved in writing it or have any drafts been circulated for comment to the wider community? Were any of the clubs with a huge presence of Sporter/Hunter shooters perhaps consulted (the likes of Castlemaine, who are now huge thanks to this class)? It would be great to get some idea of what might be included or where the NRAA think the class is heading before it lands on us.

Pretty simple mate. Factory means factory. Not some flog rocking up with a savage action and a chassis and an off the shelf barrel. If you want to cut it up into classes and start an arms race then fine, but the SSR's are pretty clear to me. If the NRAA release further rules, then that's fine, but currently from the tripe that's been spouted here, this class is headed the way of F Standard.

FYI in this state, I don't know any high level F Class competitor who would try and push for easy wins or manipulate the rules to suit themselves. I want to shoot against the best, not beat up on the weaklings.

[RUSTY OMARK]

23.3 would mean you don't meet the SSRs though, you can't change the stock. 'Standard Factory Made'

Clearly that should change when the national rules are revised. Under the rules for NSW at the moment you can...

I would think over the counter rifle would be better worded. Howa would be a classic to mention as they don’t actually make stocks.

[dazza284]

I've already got my SH rig built. I took a factory Remington VSSF, replaced the action with a Borden Alpine, replaced the barrel with a braked 28" Brux 1:7 HV, replaced the factory trigger with a Jewel, put HS Precision bottom metal in it and had a front pic rail added to the factory stock. I'm all set.

Somehow I don't think this is a serious post. Might be a bit of tongue in cheek?

There's a push for a class where cost doesn't come into consideration. And if the NRAA listens you might get something close to what the majority want. BUT, don't ignore what is happening at club level out in the bush where the majority of our members come from. If there is no low-cost buy-off-the-shelf and be competitive class, then I know my club will be worse off.

It is very much tongue in cheek Alan. I don't like people who want rules changed to suit themselves. I don't like that an association has set their own set of rules disregarding the SSRs. People are using this class to cherry pick prize meets and queens badges. It is not in keeping with the spirit of why this class was brought in. I do not shoot it at any level, because I believe that it was brought into to further the sport and attract newcomers. It was not meant for experienced shooters to beat up less experienced beginners and get cheap wins.

In this class why would there be prizes at all the idea of it is to get Shooters into the club.
the prizes should be left to the events that already run and give them something to aim for , they come out and try it with this class if they like it then they move on to the competitive classes.

[macguru]

So Barossa writes "I do not shoot it at any level,"

that really says it all doesn't it ? People should stick to what they know and not try make game of others who want to enjoy their sport ..... I am pleased that I live in a state (NSW) where the DRA is taking an inclusive attitude and that will increase the participation and not alienate people like some of these keyboard warriors !

[RUSTY OMARK]

So Barossa writes "I do not shoot it at any level,"

that really says it all doesn't it ? People should stick to what they know and not try make game of others who want to enjoy their sport ..... I am pleased that I live in a state (NSW) where the DRA is taking an inclusive attitude and that will increase the participation and not alienate people like some of these keyboard warriors !

I would disagree with your statement. Nsw is showing they have no respect for ssr and will only complicate things. Next yall be changing footy rules to move goal post further apart so yas can kick more goals.

[Barossa_222]

So Barossa writes "I do not shoot it at any level,"

that really says it all doesn't it ? People should stick to what they know and not try make game of others who want to enjoy their sport ..... I am pleased that I live in a state (NSW) where the DRA is taking an inclusive attitude and that will increase the participation and not alienate people like some of these keyboard warriors !

I don't shoot it mate because I think that as someone who has represented his state multiple times, building a gun to compete against shooters starting out in the sport doesn't further my growth as a shooter or competitor. If the rules are complied with I have nothing to say on the subject, but here I see you campaigning to have the NRAA change rules simply to suit yourself without any regard for the intent with which the class was created or concern for the future.