PRE-FIT BARRELS FOR SAVAGE TARGET ACTION

[schuller]

Looking for info on availabilty of pre-fit barrels in Australia
for savage f class target action all barrel makers welcome,
got all the gear just want to buy and screw on, any feedback
would be much appreciated.

[sixmill]

ME TOO...!!!!
Not having much luck, BRT in Qld import shilen barrels & could probably order one, you could order a Pac-nor direct from the US.
Maybe the best bet would be to convince one of our better gunsmiths or barrel makers that there is a market for these pre-fit barrels.

[schuller]

sixmill

Thanks for the response

You would think with all the savage rifles sold and used in this country someone would have cottoned on by now that there is a few bucks to be made here.

Just looking at the yank web sites and seeing the availabilty there from the major barrel makers for pre-fit savage barrels is outstanding I think the same deal here would certainly give shooters here in comp or not a different outlook on their switch barrel rifles in terms of useable calibers.

And let's face it having a switch barrel rifle with no realistic source of barrels to switch to is half way beetween having an ashtray on a jetski and looking for hair on a seagulls face?!!!

[KHGS]

When next you are at the local range, have a good look around at the percentage of Savages there are on the firing point!!! My guess is that it would be less than 2 or 3 percent. Maybe when the demand grows the trade will rise to the need. One other point Savage actions are very good.... but are mass produced & so their thread tolerances are not as consistant from action to action as the semi custom actions usually are. So, for a precise job which is what most of my customers expect, it is always best to send your action to your gunsmith, this also allows him to check the action for correct function & safety. You would be surprised how many little things can turn up in a routine barrel fit.
Keith H.

[Robert Chombart]

When next you are at the local range, have a good look around at the percentage of Savages there are on the firing point!!! My guess is that it would be less than 2 or 3 percent. Maybe when the demand grows the trade will rise to the need. One other point Savage actions are very good.... but are mass produced & so their thread tolerances are not as consistant from action to action as the semi custom actions usually are. So, for a precise job which is what most of my customers expect, it is always best to send your action to your gunsmith, this also allows him to check the action for correct function & safety. You would be surprised how many little things can turn up in a routine barrel fit.
Keith H.

Not being a professionaù, I however can only fully agree on this with my modest amateur experience..

R.G.C

[schuller]

Lets revisit this original theme of this post with a few inclusions.

Now considering we live in times where when a cockroach from your property is found to have farted on the cat next door and the owners sue you I tend to think it would highly improbable that savage would allow such easy access using barrel spanner, vice and a set of go/no go gauges from major suppliers worldwide to a major part of their product (and a somewhat explosive one at that) by their "non professional" clients without having a serious look at their engineering and a lengthy talk with their large posse of lawyers.

The way savage have went about their engineering does not lend itself to injuring people or putting gunsmiths out of work but as khgs said there are sometimes problems , yes there are problems and in all facets of any production setup large or small and I can be quite frank to say that just the idea of a problem in regards to the "mass produced threads" implication, just a sniff and as we all know it would be all over the wonderful/evil internet like a rash in a kindy this does not include the fact that you have a cockroach that is good at farting on cats!!!!!

The "mass produced stigma" All small, medium and large players within reason in this game with any renown are mass producers its called CNC, now were talking of people who make well known parts for precision shooting be it custom, semi-custom or the main players we all know, but the implication of "mass produced" does that apply to the operator, machinery/tooling the materials used is it better to look towards the smaller "mass producers" do they really have better operators/machinery/tooling/materials do they know something that the big players dont or can the "mass produced" product only be considered excellent or superb once somebody has worked on it well I think the people will work that one out for themselves and you dont need to be Einstein either!!

Savage must be commended for their foresight and for producing well priced precision rifles of course there will always be the ford,ford/holden,chevy thing thats to be expected and the "shit sticks" thing that follows savage will no doubt be with savage for long time to come but the results are on the board now there's no denying that just recently went to a range session where a few blokes were swapping barrels between the shorts and the longs (imported barrels/no mass produced thread problems/no gunsmith needed) and the accuracy was outstanding also have look at the recent major precision shoots in America including the nationals it looks like that 2-3% were all in the top ten so I really think the shit is sticking somewhere else!!?

The original theme of the post still stands I am looking for a importer/barrel maker to supply pre-fit barrels for a savage target action I think at some point somebody is going to wake up to this type of barrel switching system as it can only be good for the sport and that must be our main priority the more people in f class the better for all involved.

This post has got me thinking now that I can see out in the river a hairy faced seagull on a jetski having a smoke!!!!.

[Bill Hau]

[quote][/quote]let me understand this, KHGS IS SAYING THAT SAVAGE F/CLASS RIFLE ARE NOT TO BE USED BECAUSE OF BARREL THREAD PROBLIME . PLEASE clear this up as i am just about to part with hard earned cash on a brand spanking new one , does Savage know about this ? and is that for real that only gunsmiths are able to change barrels .
I am new to this and am about to start in f class so please be gentle on me . pogo

[Matt P]

let me understand this, KHGS IS SAYING THAT SAVAGE F/CLASS RIFLE ARE NOT TO BE USED BECAUSE OF BARREL THREAD PROBLIME . PLEASE clear this up as i am just about to part with hard earned cash on a brand spanking new one , does Savage know about this ? and is that for real that only gunsmiths are able to change barrels .
I am new to this and am about to start in f class so please be gentle on me . pogo

We must be reading different posts nowhere did KHGS say there was a problem, what he said was to get the closest tolerance fit the barrel should be be fitted to suit the action which would vary from action to action. Don't read into it any more than that.

Matt P

[AlanF]

I just picked up a 12F in 6BR today - my club has bought it for new shooters to try - the main reason we got one is that you can buy them off the shelf - so a new shooter can say "That was awesome - can I buy one the same?" and we can say yes - order one from your local gun dealer. Not unlike the Omark days. From what I read in the US where this model has been available for some months, it will likely be competitive with most custom rifles. There were a couple of quality control issues early on (mainly with the 6.5-284 examples), but credit to Savage, they are reported to have addressed the problems promptly and effectively. Being a mass produced factory product, Keith is right to say there is more likely to be quality issues with these than with a Barnard or Lawton etc., but what do you expect if you're paying not much more than half the price.

Alan

[KHGS]

GUYS!!!!!!! READ MY POST!!!! No where did I even suggest that Savage actions were NOT good!!!!! The whole point of my post was to TRY to explain why pre-fit barrels MAY not be such a great idea where precision, that is ACCURACY, was the reason for rebarreling your Savage. No where did I suggest that Savage actions were unsafe due to poor tolerances.
You made a statement to which I replied with info to explain the existing situation as I saw it. It seems you have no grasp at all of what I was on about.
Keith H.

[sixmill]

It seems you have no grasp at all of what I was on about.

Most of us understood Keith, thanks for your input.

[Bill Hau]

HI so you are all saying that savage is a good rifle .

[Bill Hau]

but are mass produced & so their thread tolerances are not as consistant from action to action as the semi custom actions usually are

We must be reading different posts nowhere did KHGS say there was a problem

I tack exceiption !!

[Robert Chombart]

but are mass produced & so their thread tolerances are not as consistant from action to action as the semi custom actions usually are

We must be reading different posts nowhere did KHGS say there was a problem

I tack exceiption !!

Hi, all
Just Goole on 'Rifle Action Blueprinting'' to figure the difference between mass production and custom, and what is involved to bring the former to certain standards.

And for barrels, a custom barrel is bored,reamed, rifled, profiled, chambered, throated and fitted to specific use, bullet weight, cartridge lenght, etc... A factory one is to be all-eating, as the manufacturer does not know the final destination.....

A set of gauges is not what makes a perfect chamber. The difference between a GO and a NO-GO gauge is 0,15mm in shoulder position (.006 inch). This represent an ENORMOUS tolerance in actual engineering accuracy terms. I think Mr Hlls will agree with me that a custom chamber is extremely close to the GO dimension, with the bolt just closing with a slight ''feel'' on the Go guage, and this represent a very small fraction of the Gauges tolerance...We are far from industrila tolerances. Same apply to throats cut to requirements....and not to mention shanks threads adjustments. There is no mean to perfect center a barrel in a lathe to chamber and cut threads than to spend a CERTAIN amount of time to center it perfectly, and that, industrial production cannot afford the said time...

R.G.C
Amateur!!

[KHGS]

Sixmill, I am glad that someone seemed to understand what I was getting at. I think I will go off somewhere & have a good laugh (or cry), it is really quite funny when you think about it, hilarious even.
Keith H.