Hi Pest bird,
Thanks for the advice - That is axactly what I was hoping for. Do the Quick release scopes work on all brands of scope?
Also,
Funny you mention the Tikka - I was holding one in a shop just a couple of hours ago !!!!
I just dont like the hollow synthetic stock- too much like a cheap toy.
Im also a leftie so its getting hard to find something.
Let me know if you hear of anything.
New to the sport - advice sought
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AlanF
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Paul,
One thing that you need to be aware of with factory rifles is they may not come with a tight enough barrel twist for the long target projectiles. I know this is a common problem with .223 and .243 hunting rifles that we see at our range. For both of these you need a 1 in 8 twist to stabilise the 80gn and 107gn projectiles respectively.
In my opinion a compromise between a hunting and target rifle will be just that, and will not be ideal for either sport.
But then I've never owned a Tikka
Alan
One thing that you need to be aware of with factory rifles is they may not come with a tight enough barrel twist for the long target projectiles. I know this is a common problem with .223 and .243 hunting rifles that we see at our range. For both of these you need a 1 in 8 twist to stabilise the 80gn and 107gn projectiles respectively.
In my opinion a compromise between a hunting and target rifle will be just that, and will not be ideal for either sport.
But then I've never owned a Tikka
Alan
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Hi Nesta
Regarding the Leupold QR scope mounts, as long as you mark the rail so you can return the scope to the same position each time and lock the mounts up the same torq, preasure, your scope will return to zero. Give or take a minit.
Tikka have left hand models in the varmit model, I just checked out there web site.
Yep the synthetic models do feel hollow, but they sure doo shoot. I have instaled some lead weights into the but of mine, it ballances better and reduces the recoil.
Hi Allan
I think Tikka were the first to utilize fast twist barrels with some of there chamberings. 223 is 1:8, sadly 243 is 1:10 but the 6.5x55 is 1:8, 7mm08 and 7mm rem mag is 1:9.5. All the 30cal chamberings are 1:11
Remington still don't get it with there new model 223 being a 1:9.
The Tikka Tactical I use , chambered in 223 is a 1:8 and works well with the 80gn Match Kings. I had the throat moved forward a tad so I could seat the 80gner's further forward in the case, that helped reduce preasure.
At the club I'm a member of, (MBRC) there are several shooters competing in F Class standard that use Tactical type rifles . Wether they are out of the box Tikka or Sako or put together on Rem. actions by reputable gun smiths, they are competitive.
F Class open is another kettle of fish, it is a dedicated shooting class , same as TR.
Well Nesta, I hope this does not cloud your thoughts.
Cheers
Paul
PS Have a look in the For Sale section, Lyndon Wright has a fabulous rifle for sale, I know Lyndon and he never compromises on quallity.
Regarding the Leupold QR scope mounts, as long as you mark the rail so you can return the scope to the same position each time and lock the mounts up the same torq, preasure, your scope will return to zero. Give or take a minit.
Tikka have left hand models in the varmit model, I just checked out there web site.
Yep the synthetic models do feel hollow, but they sure doo shoot. I have instaled some lead weights into the but of mine, it ballances better and reduces the recoil.
Hi Allan
I think Tikka were the first to utilize fast twist barrels with some of there chamberings. 223 is 1:8, sadly 243 is 1:10 but the 6.5x55 is 1:8, 7mm08 and 7mm rem mag is 1:9.5. All the 30cal chamberings are 1:11
Remington still don't get it with there new model 223 being a 1:9.
The Tikka Tactical I use , chambered in 223 is a 1:8 and works well with the 80gn Match Kings. I had the throat moved forward a tad so I could seat the 80gner's further forward in the case, that helped reduce preasure.
At the club I'm a member of, (MBRC) there are several shooters competing in F Class standard that use Tactical type rifles . Wether they are out of the box Tikka or Sako or put together on Rem. actions by reputable gun smiths, they are competitive.
F Class open is another kettle of fish, it is a dedicated shooting class , same as TR.
Well Nesta, I hope this does not cloud your thoughts.
Cheers
Paul
PS Have a look in the For Sale section, Lyndon Wright has a fabulous rifle for sale, I know Lyndon and he never compromises on quallity.
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If you realy realy must only have 1 rifle to do both hunting and target, then yes, you can just swap scopes. It is what I do with my Rem 700 in 308. It has weaver scope bases. My hunting scope is a 2.5-10x and target scope is a 6-24X, in Leupold QRL rings. Takes less than 30 seconds to swap scopes back and keeps very close to same zero. It is very accurate, but being in a round forend stock and light hunting weight rifle, it is more finicky with how you hold it on the rests.
I am starting to move away from trying to make a gun do 2 jobs now. I think the best way to do it on a budget is to buy a cheap 2nd hand hunting rifle in whatever caliber takes your fancy.
Then for a target rifle, the best value out there seems to be a 2nd hand fullbore rifle turned into a F standard rifle. These will have a stiffer action than a hunting rifle, will have more weight and better shaped stock. and hopefully a tapered scope rail to get your long range elevation. Dont worry about if the barrel is shot out as these are a consumable item, just get another new barrel fitted in whatever caliber you prefer ( no one uses 30 06 for F class, go smaller)
I am starting to move away from trying to make a gun do 2 jobs now. I think the best way to do it on a budget is to buy a cheap 2nd hand hunting rifle in whatever caliber takes your fancy.
Then for a target rifle, the best value out there seems to be a 2nd hand fullbore rifle turned into a F standard rifle. These will have a stiffer action than a hunting rifle, will have more weight and better shaped stock. and hopefully a tapered scope rail to get your long range elevation. Dont worry about if the barrel is shot out as these are a consumable item, just get another new barrel fitted in whatever caliber you prefer ( no one uses 30 06 for F class, go smaller)
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Nesta
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Thanks Fellas,
Yep sure is a lot to learn for me.
Q: regarding barrel twist the lower the ratio number = the tighter the twist. Is that correct?
Regarding buying a second hand chep hunting rifle- It hard enough finding anything for a leftie. But you're probably right.
I wanted to avoid a new rifle as "running in" seems a bit too much for a newbie to bear on the range.
And there are just not enough other places to shoot.
Are there any private properties owned by memebers of this forum that allow practice?
Yep sure is a lot to learn for me.
Q: regarding barrel twist the lower the ratio number = the tighter the twist. Is that correct?
Regarding buying a second hand chep hunting rifle- It hard enough finding anything for a leftie. But you're probably right.
I wanted to avoid a new rifle as "running in" seems a bit too much for a newbie to bear on the range.
And there are just not enough other places to shoot.
Are there any private properties owned by memebers of this forum that allow practice?
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Hi Nesta
Regarding barrel rifling twist rates, what it means is how far along the barrel a projectile has to travel before it does 1 revolution.
IE 1:8 , the projectile travels 8 inches before it does 1 full revolution. 1:14, = 1 turn in 14 inches etc.
I think you would be better off going to a club where you can use a club rifle and get good coaching from members there, as oposed to trying to nut out long range shooting on a farm.
Ask the club for a programe, then you can plan your shoots there and also pick the range you want to shoot. You will also know when the club has open prize meets, when the shoot is for members of clubs anyway.
I hope this helps.
Paul
Regarding barrel rifling twist rates, what it means is how far along the barrel a projectile has to travel before it does 1 revolution.
IE 1:8 , the projectile travels 8 inches before it does 1 full revolution. 1:14, = 1 turn in 14 inches etc.
I think you would be better off going to a club where you can use a club rifle and get good coaching from members there, as oposed to trying to nut out long range shooting on a farm.
Ask the club for a programe, then you can plan your shoots there and also pick the range you want to shoot. You will also know when the club has open prize meets, when the shoot is for members of clubs anyway.
I hope this helps.
Paul
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Nesta
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Thanks Paul,
So I had it backward regarding twist ! 1:8 should be more accurate than 1:14 right?
Regarding going to a range - Tried it a quite few times since I joined this forum and Im afraid its a bit of a crap mentality where I went. Not much help whatsoever- regardless of who I arranged time with.
Unfortunately it the the closest by a counrty mile and the only other long range is at least 1 and half hrs away- plus road tolls.
Really dissapointing for a club that is complainng of dwindling numbers and poor financial support, but I guess the guys there are doing their own thing and I cant bag then for that I suppose. Im 38 years old and every time ive been- Ive been the youngest there- I fear the sport will die- (at least that club will) unless they get some people with professional attitudes running the show instead of the experience I ve had.
Sorry about venting mate, I'm just really dissapointed that I my closest club/range is not really giving any encourangement to come back when Im so ready to learn & shoot. I wont be going back there again.
.......and just in case the thought crossed your mind that perhaps its me thats a bit of a headcase......I'm actually a really easy going and very patient bloke......I just hate being dicked about.
I'll just have to make the effort and drive further to get to a range that at least wont make me feel like I'm intruding on a private get together- even with an appointment.
I feel better now thanks for reading.
I'll keep posting here to expand my technical knowledge - You guys on here has given me more information than every chat I ve had at the range. Keep it up.
I sold my old .22 but still looking for a 308 in Left hand with decent scope and bipod
Cheers
So I had it backward regarding twist ! 1:8 should be more accurate than 1:14 right?
Regarding going to a range - Tried it a quite few times since I joined this forum and Im afraid its a bit of a crap mentality where I went. Not much help whatsoever- regardless of who I arranged time with.
Unfortunately it the the closest by a counrty mile and the only other long range is at least 1 and half hrs away- plus road tolls.
Really dissapointing for a club that is complainng of dwindling numbers and poor financial support, but I guess the guys there are doing their own thing and I cant bag then for that I suppose. Im 38 years old and every time ive been- Ive been the youngest there- I fear the sport will die- (at least that club will) unless they get some people with professional attitudes running the show instead of the experience I ve had.
Sorry about venting mate, I'm just really dissapointed that I my closest club/range is not really giving any encourangement to come back when Im so ready to learn & shoot. I wont be going back there again.
.......and just in case the thought crossed your mind that perhaps its me thats a bit of a headcase......I'm actually a really easy going and very patient bloke......I just hate being dicked about.
I'll just have to make the effort and drive further to get to a range that at least wont make me feel like I'm intruding on a private get together- even with an appointment.
I feel better now thanks for reading.
I'll keep posting here to expand my technical knowledge - You guys on here has given me more information than every chat I ve had at the range. Keep it up.
I sold my old .22 but still looking for a 308 in Left hand with decent scope and bipod
Cheers
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Hi Nesta
Well, once again on barrel twist rates, the 1:8 will stabalize 80gn projectiles down to the smaller weight ones,45-50gner's. But the 1:12 will not stabalize the heavy projectiles but for its intended use will still shoot very accurately with the 55gn projectiles.
One problem with the fast twist barrel is if you drive the smaller projectiles fast, they may break apart because of the RPM .
I built a rifle last year on a right hand Barnard action for F Class and I shoot it left hand. I find it works well shooting it off a front rest, rear bag. I operate the bolt with my right hand, I can see the empty case and i can see almost right into the chamber when I am feeding a loaded round ready for my next shot.
This is something to think about, LEFTY SHOOTING A RIGHTY RIFLE.
Sad about the range you have been visiting, some target rifle shooters are just that. (No offence at all to TR shooters) But in the club I am in , TR shooters are taking notice of us as they are getting old and still want to shoot but can not see very well through there tunnel sights. They are having a go at F Class, as they can with our rifles and some are converting.
Maybe Allan is right, if you can get a friend to go along, they may see your point. It will take time.
Happy new year Nesta.
Paul
Well, once again on barrel twist rates, the 1:8 will stabalize 80gn projectiles down to the smaller weight ones,45-50gner's. But the 1:12 will not stabalize the heavy projectiles but for its intended use will still shoot very accurately with the 55gn projectiles.
One problem with the fast twist barrel is if you drive the smaller projectiles fast, they may break apart because of the RPM .
I built a rifle last year on a right hand Barnard action for F Class and I shoot it left hand. I find it works well shooting it off a front rest, rear bag. I operate the bolt with my right hand, I can see the empty case and i can see almost right into the chamber when I am feeding a loaded round ready for my next shot.
This is something to think about, LEFTY SHOOTING A RIGHTY RIFLE.
Sad about the range you have been visiting, some target rifle shooters are just that. (No offence at all to TR shooters) But in the club I am in , TR shooters are taking notice of us as they are getting old and still want to shoot but can not see very well through there tunnel sights. They are having a go at F Class, as they can with our rifles and some are converting.
Maybe Allan is right, if you can get a friend to go along, they may see your point. It will take time.
Happy new year Nesta.
Paul
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