Hopefully this isnt a secret that we want to hide from public view in case our 2017 preparations are ruined
Just wondering what style of coaching calls were used in Raton. ie. were the coaches and shooters using the technique that Shiraz showed on the youtube video of lines left and right- one line being x ring, two being 6 ring etc. Or were the calls made using the clock system ie 3 oclock hold 6 ring 1 oclock hold x ring etc. Or is there something else that was used?
Open and F/TR were independent of each other in the teams event. In F-Open, as far as I know, there was no holding off, and apart from occasional vertical adjustments made by shooters under coaches directions, all adjustments were done by the coaches. In a couple of months, I'm expecting there to be an article in the ATR describing the innovative coaching system developed for and by the F-Open coaches. It will be interesting reading.
Thanks Alan, if the article is around I would like a bit more user friendly chance to read it- online or pdf file or something. I dont get the ATR magazine for reasons I dont need to mention on here
Basically, the coaches did all adjustments with the scope knobs. The shooter just held in the very centre for each shot. This saved time and confusion for both shooter and coach, with less chance of something getting lost in the translation.
As the coach wound the scope (sometimes there were some fairly big windage changes) the shooter moved the joystick across at the same time so as soon as the coaches said "Target 86, Joe Bloggs, go on", the shooter just had the simple job of keeping a good hold in the centre and letting the shot go.
You'll also be pleased to learn that in F-Open, the coaches worked together in full communication, with alternating shots between shooters, and pilot sighters used often - one of the benefits of having good zeros.
And you'll be even more pleased to learn that in the FCWC, the scoring rings went V, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1.
Wow thats very interesting. I often thought and have been told that trusting scopes is a dangerous business. Do you know if the yanks held off or did they wind as well?
Hi Brad - If you are looking for a technique to use for Tassie I suggest you consult the coaches and find what they are most comfortable with.
There are advantages and disadvantages for all systems and the most important factor is the coach not getting confused or lost (equally important for shooter not to as well.)
The American system works particularly well on the American Target. They have very evenly spaced rings (basically half a minute) and the scoring numbers (10,9, 8 etc) are printed in the middle of the rings on a horizontal line thus giving 1/4 minute aiming marks and these can be split as well to go as fine as 1/8. Try doing that with the ICFRA rings - take particular notice of the 300 vs 5-600 ones! Also try doing this in severe mirage or rain when the lines disappear. (and they did during the individual event with a rain squall!)
There is also some important differences in the 8 shooter layout compared to the 4 person. It is much harder to communicate between coaches when you are talking winding on x minutes and holding rings as well ("You said 2R wound on and holding left 1 and a quarter ???"" WhAT????) compared to a straight minute call which could easily be relayed between all three coaches with a very clear and distinct understanding of exactly where we were. We basically called every shot. There was no flying solo. We were a team and acted like one - Many of the others were operating like 2 * 4 teams instead of 1 * 8.
However, with winding there are some disadvantages as well and we did a lot of things to try and counter those disadvantages........
Dave, what disadvantages were there with winding scopes? Like going to far and not realising and alike? You also bring up an interesting point in that the US target is different to the ICFRA target that we use every shoot. Would they have trained much on the ICFRA target you think?
Hi Brad, I didn't mean to jump on your toes there - the joys of typed responses. I merely meant to suggest the most important thing is the coaches are not forced into a zone they are not comfortable with. All these systems can work but it needs to be second nature to the coach and the shooters need practice with the system too. Getting lost in the middle of a string can be disastrous.
I unfortunately don't have a lot of time to explain all the ins and outs so would prefer to wait until Dave Stewart gets back and write something up properly with Peter and Dave as Alan suggested (with input from Richard, Linda and Rod and rest of the team as well.).
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