magneto speed so yesterday

bruce moulds · Post by **bruce moulds** » Thu Jan 30, 2014 5:08 pm

http://mylabradar.com/
get with the programme :shock:

keep safe,
bruce.

ecomeat · Post by **ecomeat** » Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:10 am

Any indication on pricing ? I couldnt find anything, anywhere.
If it works like the PR infers, everything else will be nearly obsolete.
I remember having a good look at the PVM gear that Dave Mac has got, and at one stage they claimed accuracy to 0.1% on the US website, but then dropped the claim and reverted to claiming 1%. These guys are claiming 0.1% right up front. I think my MagnetoSpeed is probably in that same sort of range, but it will definitely be for sale if these new things are affordable !
I guess it will all depend on price.

Longranger · Post by **Longranger** » Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:15 am

The big question is how much are they?

I have often wondered when someone would develop a handy sized Doppler radar for ballistic purposes. A pity it doesn't read out to 1000m - how good would that be for BC calculation.

ecomeat · Post by **ecomeat** » Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:22 am

I just got the following email from them......For Sale, MagnetoSpeedV1&2 !!

Tony,

Thank you for your email. It is difficult to compare LabRadar to a Magneto Speed, since they operate on completely different technology. If you have any specific questions please let me know.

Retail pricing is expected to be $499.00 USD. We will be finalizing our pricing very soon.
The radar is expected to be available for purchase in May 2014.

LabRadar is designed to track 30 caliber projectiles to 100 yard. Smaller projectiles may not track as far.

Labradar is positioned besides the shooter, not downrange. The shooter aligns the radar using a built-in sighting notch with the target he will shoot at. Ideally LabRadar should be positioned to the side of the shooters muzzle. You should position your firearm approximately 12”-18” from the side of the radar. Make sure that the weapon recoil will not cause the radar to be struck. If you are shooting in a prone position you can position your radar on a mini tripod or other suitable stand to protect it from damage. If you are shooting a firearms that may discharge debris that could strike the radar it may be best to move the firearm slightly forward so the muzzle, cylinder gap, ejecting cases or other discharge will not damage your LabRadar. Upon firing the shot, the radar unit will begin transmitting and will continually track the bullet, reporting numerous velocities along its path. Based upon the large amount of data gathered from the tracked projectile the muzzle velocity can also be determined.

Best regards,

Richard Mouser
LabRadar
www.mylabradar.com
Info@mylabradar.com

IanP · Post by **IanP** » Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:49 am

Interesting product for sure!

Offers everything that the MagnetoSpeed does with tracking 30 cals out to 100 yards. Does not mount on the barrel which some people will like a lot.

I will be sticking with MagnetoSpeed as it provides the same data and is a proven accurate device. Its far more compact to carry to the range and does not require a tripod to mount to.

MagnetoSpeed is a much simpler device with a simple start/stop sensor array on the bayonet and an embedded controller doing the calculation and driving a LCD display.

Maybe its the electronics technician in me that says if this device could track all calibres out to 1000 yards then the radar would be of considerable advantage over the MagnetoSpeed. It does not do this and in my opinion offers no real advantage over the MagnetoSpeed and comes at an increase in cost and electronic sophistication.

I wonder what our temperature extremes would do to its accuracy??? Its nice not being barrel mounted, but adds the hassle of requiring a tripod. I found very little measurable change to group size or elevation when barrel mounting the MagnetoSpeed to heavy F-Class barrels. I dont see any need to change over to this device until it offers something over the MagnetoSpeed such as data out to 1000 yards!

Ian

bruce moulds · Post by **bruce moulds** » Fri Jan 31, 2014 7:03 am

this is a good excuse to have a visit from the gun fairy.
when the technology improves to 1000 yd, then the gun fairy can come again. :roll:

keep safe,
bruce.

bartman007 · Post by **bartman007** » Fri Jan 31, 2014 8:28 am

Mmmmmmm......nice toy for the future.

Like MagnetoSpeed, I think their V2 model may have what we need out to 1000 yards and beyond.

Now the toss up, New Barrel or New Speed Toy?

Can I use it in the car to deflect the police radar?

Longranger · Post by **Longranger** » Fri Jan 31, 2014 8:54 am

bartman007 wrote:Mmmmmmm......nice toy for the future

Can I use it in the car to deflect the police radar?

If it is the same frequency it may work. It would take some some creative explanation to extricate yourself from a hefty fine though....

Post by **AlanF** » Fri Jan 31, 2014 9:41 am

They say it is not sensitive to changes in light, but RADAR would surely be affected by air density? Which would mean day to day consistency might be questionable. I wonder if it has built in measurement of and compensation for changes in air density.

Alan

Longranger · Post by **Longranger** » Fri Jan 31, 2014 10:04 am

The speed of light is a constant so air density shouldn't have any effect on accuracy.

Post by **AlanF** » Fri Jan 31, 2014 10:29 am

Longranger wrote:The speed of light is a constant so air density shouldn't have any effect on accuracy.

The speed of light is usually quoted as "in a vacuum" and is slower in gases such as air. However, I just looked at the figures and you could probably use an average figure for air that would be accurate enough for these purposes.

For me, the shot to shot accuracy is the main value with chronies, so if this one is better than the pack, I might be in the market. But will definitely wait for V2 or 3.

Alan

Norm · Post by **Norm** » Fri Jan 31, 2014 12:49 pm

I'm using the V2 Magneto at the moment. Fantastic device.
Might be getting one of these Doppler Radar devices to test. I have asked them to send me one when they are available.
I will let you know how it performs.

IanP · Post by **IanP** » Fri Jan 31, 2014 1:02 pm

Hmmm, I dont think light has any effect on radar and the blurb from the manufacturer was just to indicate their product doesn't use light dependent skyscreens like most chrony's do!

The blurb does not say what band the radar uses and if its VHF or UHF? Radar is effected by atmospheric moisture so humidity might cause some variation in the velocity measurement? Atmospheric moisture attenuates radio signals but I dont know if it would effect the units accuracy given its short 100 yard measurement path?

The blurb does not give any indication of beam width and I would wonder what effect someone shooting in close proximity to the unit would have on the readings? I do my testing at a rifle range where the shooting benches are little more than a metre apart.

The military have been using radar for decades measuring incoming and out going ballistic trajectories of mortars and rifle fire, etc. The modern battlefield must be a scary place with nowhere to hide with these devices giving away your position accurately enough to be targeted. I'm betting this civilian device would be pretty accurate and a nice value added unit for the company to sell to the target gun crowd.

Ian

ecomeat · Post by **ecomeat** » Fri Jan 31, 2014 1:51 pm

I read on a couple of US forums (thanks Google !) that it supposedly
1) is activated by sound of your shot
2) radar is only active for a fraction of a second (that in an email back to a poster from the makers)
3) pulses at 4000 times per second
4) has a beam divergence of 4 degrees

The above supposedly work together so that it is virtually impossible for a shot from somewhere else to be recorded, even if it enters your bullets path

bully_eye · Post by **bully_eye** » Fri Jan 31, 2014 2:01 pm

All that and it's no where near April 1

Michael