Recoil management - some short videos

ecomeat · Post by **ecomeat** » Thu Apr 24, 2014 10:32 am

These are short videos of some well known shooters at Belmont for Queens. Some might find it interesting to observe the different styles and obvious torque management of a few shooters.
Hopefully the subjects wont be upset of their image being used for a bit of educational fun

Most are only one shot, but it gives an idea of the various "styles"
Firstly ROD DAVIES at about 500 yds

Then MATT PAROZ - pretty sure this might be his 6.5 x 47 when he whupped everybody in the leadup .

DAVE MCNAMARA seems to handle his SAUM with ease

ALAN FRASER with his 284 Shehane

CAMERON McEWAN with a Shehane

Brad Y · Post by **Brad Y** » Thu Apr 24, 2014 11:13 am

Wow Camerons gun is really jumping around there :shock:

ecomeat · Post by **ecomeat** » Thu Apr 24, 2014 1:21 pm

Brad Y wrote:Wow Camerons gun is really jumping around there

We have had a yarn and a laugh about it. The next one is dodgy video work by me,.......sorry about the grass shots..... but it shows Cam using his Shehane my SEB rest, with the sides in fairly firmly.

Then Julie McEwan, shooting exactly the same load (180 Bergers out of a 284 Shehane) and she clearly handles the recoil without any issue and chooses to lightly shoulder the rifle, whereas Cam is virtually "free recoil".
Given that he consistently proves himself to be one of the best in Australia, we figured that whatever he is doing, he is doing it very, very consistently, and should probably keep doing it !!

And finally, the big Wild Dog....Mark Fairbairn

RAVEN · Post by **RAVEN** » Thu Apr 24, 2014 2:55 pm

Sorry Cam your rifle tracks the worst
who's the killjoy :roll:

plumbs7 · Post by **plumbs7** » Thu Apr 24, 2014 3:11 pm

I don't think I'm even worthy to comment here. But I'm on holidays and bored ! So here goes !
At crows nest OPM earlier this year I was scoring for the master (Cam ) and notice the huge rifle torque that was happening ! Somebody behind me even made a comment about it .

Then at Wandai on the Second Day where he blitz us all ( the only day they competed ) . I didn't notice it at all from Memory. I always watch these two shoot and that's where I've learnt the most .
I think it's all under control! G S Dalby RC

Brad Y · Post by **Brad Y** » Thu Apr 24, 2014 3:18 pm

Yep that gun needs a good spanking and told to behave itself. Though results are there to prove otherwise.

Steve N · Post by **Steve N** » Thu Apr 24, 2014 4:27 pm

Oh! Now I know what they mean about Alan's stock. :shock:

Very interesting Tony. This is exactly what I am trying to sort out myself to get consistent vertical. Looks like a well set up rifle has a lot to do with it.

RDavies · Post by **RDavies** » Sat Apr 26, 2014 12:23 am

Footsore wrote:Oh! Now I know what they mean about Alan's stock.
Very interesting Tony. This is exactly what I am trying to sort out myself to get consistent vertical. Looks like a well set up rifle has a lot to do with it.

Footsore, Alans stock is like many of the shooters pictured. It would be flat out winning a consolation prize in a beauty contest.
As for rifle set up and hold, it is a chicken or the egg situation. For example, Cameron who's rifle jumps around the place does not shoot my 7mm well which needs a firm hold, while his wife Julie, also pictured above, with her firmer hold style shoots my 7mm better than I do. Conversely, he would shoot my 6mm (pictured above) well with his light hold. If you tried to hold my 6mm firm, it would not shoot well at all.
BTW, in the video of my rifle, it must have been 600yds as I must have had my 6 Dasher barrel screwed in at the time. There is no way I would have my thumb on top, leather top rear bag or shoulder so close if I had my 6BR barrel screwed in.

DaveMc · Post by **DaveMc** » Sat Apr 26, 2014 8:45 am

RDavies wrote: like many of the shooters pictured. It would be flat out winning a consolation prize in a beauty contest.

Well I can honestly say I have never been called a pretty boy but I am glad that (with the exception of Julie of course - and possibly Cameron) I am in good company

A couple of points about Camerons Rifle - (From a coaches perspective). In Brisbane just before we went overseas I watched Cam shot a 60.10 and 60.9 at 800 yards and when we got to the main event in Raton - coaching him was a dream. The shots went "exactly" where you expected and if not then the confidence was there to know the coach stuffed up. A well deserved top score off rifle in the world teams and all due to perfect consistency!
What does that say about torque roll?? - does it matter as long as you deal with it the same way every time.

RDavies · Post by **RDavies** » Sat Apr 26, 2014 9:21 am

DaveMc wrote:
RDavies wrote: like many of the shooters pictured. It would be flat out winning a consolation prize in a beauty contest.

Well I can honestly say I have never been called a pretty boy but I am glad that (with the exception of Julie of course - and possibly Cameron) I am in good company

A couple of points about Camerons Rifle - (From a coaches perspective). In Brisbane just before we went overseas I watched Cam shot a 60.10 and 60.9 at 800 yards and when we got to the main event in Raton - coaching him was a dream. The shots went "exactly" where you expected and if not then the confidence was there to know the coach stuffed up. A well deserved top score off rifle in the world teams and all due to perfect consistency!
What does that say about torque roll?? - does it matter as long as you deal with it the same way every time.

I believe Marty also shoots his 7mm (and we know how it shoots) fairly close to free recoil is that correct?
I wonder what it is which makes some rifles shoot well free recoil and some not. My 7mm has an offset fore end which reduces torque twist but I could never get it to shoot well free recoil no matter what????

RAVEN · Post by **RAVEN** » Sat Apr 26, 2014 1:59 pm

Regardless of scores DMc
The stock doesn’t fit the bag
Stocks with a straight 90degree sides allow more pressure to be applied by the front side wings and therefore controls the toque
A lot of stocks are designed for short range benchrest using 6mm variants and suit that fine.

I also noticed that there was a fair amount of roll between the bottom of the stock and the horizontal part of the front bag.
Cams credentials are top notch and we all know it’s about the 1%ers that can make the difference.

The videos are a great training tool.
I noticed a video put up on 6BR just before the WFC of a noted shooter I won't mention the name that I reckon he had a flinch all well and good shooting a 7 mag but if you can’t handle it properly it could cause problems in the long run.
RB

RAVEN · Post by **RAVEN** » Sat Apr 26, 2014 2:01 pm

I wonder what it is which makes some rifles shoot well free recoil and some not. My 7mm has an offset fore end which reduces torque twist but I could never get it to shoot well free recoil no matter what????

Stock Design :idea: