Hi All,
I have a Stiller Viper action with a pic rail.
The rail appears to be 10 MOA off centre to point of impact on several barrels.
Can I get some recommendations for quality adjustable rings?
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Re: Scope rings
If you get a set of Burris SIG ZEE mounts, these have plastic inserts with +/- 5 moa differences.
By setting your scope up by rotating the inserts, you not only centre your scope but can get the same result as fitting a 20 moa rail.
I have a set on a flat rail which was purely for the 20 moa gain, but, I did, many year ago have an old Omark which had the rail off centre (same problem you appear to be having) and these rings fixed that problem.
The rings also come with a set of zero/zero inserts as if your rail was straight and also there was no need for extra elevation or wind-age change.
They are good rings as they are steel and the inserts to not mark your scope, similar to Sako Opti-loc.
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In seems unusual for a Stiller action to have the rail off centre unless it was done after market by someone not competent.
Only needs to be a few thous of centre with the screws and it soon extrapolates into a large error.
By setting your scope up by rotating the inserts, you not only centre your scope but can get the same result as fitting a 20 moa rail.
I have a set on a flat rail which was purely for the 20 moa gain, but, I did, many year ago have an old Omark which had the rail off centre (same problem you appear to be having) and these rings fixed that problem.
The rings also come with a set of zero/zero inserts as if your rail was straight and also there was no need for extra elevation or wind-age change.
They are good rings as they are steel and the inserts to not mark your scope, similar to Sako Opti-loc.
Forever Warranty, USA made.
In seems unusual for a Stiller action to have the rail off centre unless it was done after market by someone not competent.
Only needs to be a few thous of centre with the screws and it soon extrapolates into a large error.
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Re: Scope rings
Razer wrote:If you get a set of Burris SIG ZEE mounts, these have plastic inserts with +/- 5 moa differences.
By setting your scope up by rotating the inserts, you not only centre your scope but can get the same result as fitting a 20 moa rail.
I have a set on a flat rail which was purely for the 20 moa gain, but, I did, many year ago have an old Omark which had the rail off centre (same problem you appear to be having) and these rings fixed that problem.
The rings also come with a set of zero/zero inserts as if your rail was straight and also there was no need for extra elevation or wind-age change.
They are good rings as they are steel and the inserts to not mark your scope, similar to Sako Opti-loc.
Forever Warranty, USA made.
In seems unusual for a Stiller action to have the rail off centre unless it was done after market by someone not competent.
Only needs to be a few thous of centre with the screws and it soon extrapolates into a large error.
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The Burris Signature Z rings are excellent value and good quality. They are made in China for Burris but appear to be very well made. I use these rings and will likely buy more of them.
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Re: Scope rings
I have used the Burris Signatures for fixing scope alignment problems and they work well. They're also very gentle on your scope tube, no scratches, and no bending forces. The only thing I would say against them is that if you remove your scope often, then they are not what you could call "quick release", and are better suited to a long-term setup. In fact the clamping mechanism would have a limited lifespan if removed too often.
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Re: Scope rings
That's correct, Alan. The lowest 30mm rings have the cut for the clamping mechanism intruding into the hoop. I broke one set in 2009 - won the Queensland match rifle championship with a 15 shot possible at 1200 one afternoon & couldn't keep the rifle on the paper the next morning at the same distance at team practice.
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Re: Scope rings
johnk wrote:That's correct, Alan. The lowest 30mm rings have the cut for the clamping mechanism intruding into the hoop. I broke one set in 2009 - won the Queensland match rifle championship with a 15 shot possible at 1200 one afternoon & couldn't keep the rifle on the paper the next morning at the same distance at team practice.
At least they knew when to break.

My rings are over 14 years old and are definitely made in USA,
I only use high rings on all of my rifles and although I only have the one set of 30mm Burris Sig Zee I have only one beef with them.
That is, the rail clamping screws only have a normal straight slot head, and, as these rings have been on and off several times the slot is getting decidedly misshapen.

Next time that they are off I intend to make up some replacements that I can undo with Allen keys.

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Re: Scope rings
Razer wrote:johnk wrote:That's correct, Alan. The lowest 30mm rings have the cut for the clamping mechanism intruding into the hoop. I broke one set in 2009 - won the Queensland match rifle championship with a 15 shot possible at 1200 one afternoon & couldn't keep the rifle on the paper the next morning at the same distance at team practice.
At least they knew when to break.![]()
My rings are over 14 years old and are definitely made in USA,
I only use high rings on all of my rifles and although I only have the one set of 30mm Burris Sig Zee I have only one beef with them.
That is, the rail clamping screws only have a normal straight slot head, and, as these rings have been on and off several times the slot is getting decidedly misshapen.![]()
Next time that they are off I intend to make up some replacements that I can undo with Allen keys.
Tim, as you know, my rifles all have the Burris signature rings and these rifles get dropped, run over, fallen onto, used as crutches, used as a paddle to whack a donkey out of a bog hole etc and the only thing so far that hasn't broken on my rifles is the rings. I use a grade 8 Caterpillar hex head bolt in each one as the original slot head one is pretty cheesy as other mentioned. I can get some of the bolts for you if you get these rings.
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Re: Scope rings
Hey Rod,
You probably are the best recommendation when it comes to durability of a shooting product
John P has a set of burris Zee rings I will try to fix the problem with.
I have ordered some pic rail risers which should work to lift the scope and make it better to remove with the double allen keys rather than undoing the ring bases each time.
Thanks all for the input.
You probably are the best recommendation when it comes to durability of a shooting product

John P has a set of burris Zee rings I will try to fix the problem with.
I have ordered some pic rail risers which should work to lift the scope and make it better to remove with the double allen keys rather than undoing the ring bases each time.
Thanks all for the input.
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