Rankings

ger · Post by **ger** » Mon Dec 31, 2012 4:24 pm

After many months scratching around looking for results data from which to derive rankings, it was all forthcoming thanks to the assistance of Alan Fraser over the last week. The trouble was, most of it was in a textual format that required considerable manual massaging in order to make it compatible with my processing software. Again, Alan came to the rescue and devoted his time to massage it for me. Thanks Alan!

So today, after a few hours filling in empty UIN spots (most having to be created), I was able to finally produce the latest and current rankings for TR/FS A and FO. As far as I can tell they look correct. With the source data in the correct format it takes perhaps two minutes to produce them...

These may well be the last such rankings. After more than seven years I am no longer the NRAA Webmaster. It is unclear to me at this time what future role (if any) I will have with the NRAA.

Geoff Roberts

macguru · Post by **macguru** » Mon Dec 31, 2012 5:13 pm

Rankings are on nswfclass already ??

http://www.nswfclass.com.au/ranking_nsw ... 2012_b.pdf

ger · Post by **ger** » Mon Dec 31, 2012 5:30 pm

macguru wrote:Rankings are on nswfclass already ??

http://www.nswfclass.com.au/ranking_nsw ... 2012_b.pdf

These are FS [only] gradings from prize meetings, (not sure which ones) and not national rankings that cover (primarily but not exclusively) TR.

The so called "National Rankings" take data only from Queen's events and their leadups and a different algorithm is used. It is important to note this. Rankings are based on the place a shooter came in a competition and not on the scores they attained. The new grading system is based on actual scores.

It remains to be seen how effectively national gradings for all disciplines will be derived when all OPM results in the country have to be gathered and collated electronically. I make this remark based on my observation that it has been nigh on impossible to obtain in a timely manner conforming electronic data for 10 state events each year (20 aggregates) so who knows how well things will work out when such data from every OPM in the country is required to grade every shooter?

I am not and have not been involved in the development of an electronic gradings system. Someone else's problem! ;-)

Geoff.

John S · Post by **John S** » Tue Jan 01, 2013 10:04 am

For the record the NSW grading is in accordance with the SSRs. So if a NSW member competes in any AU event then the scores are recorded.

I would agree with Geoff about the complexity of national grading. I am hoping the NRAA system works, however all clubs holding a OPM will need to comply and ensure results are sent to NRAA in a timely way. Local knowledge about people and events are very important when entering and maintaining results. Rubbish in rubbish out!!

UIN # is I believe important to id each competitor and from experience I am a strong supporter of this system.

Cheers

John S

Bindi2 · Post by **Bindi2** » Tue Jan 01, 2013 3:53 pm

I have a Q
Why is there not a non ranking, non trophy, non prize, no winner class for those who are over that and who only want to shoot.
Why you ask, i have recently cleaned out two houses one my own. I disposed of hundreds of trophys and placed hundreds more. I just want to enjoy my shooting not build up another historical collection. My wife and i agreed there will be no more.

Barry Davies · Post by **Barry Davies** » Tue Jan 01, 2013 4:03 pm

The money or the box?
Seriously, I suppose there are plenty out there who delight in winning a trophy of some sort but yes I agree they can clutter up the home after 50 years or so.
Some PM these days are opting for Cash prizes only-- bloody good idea for those of us who have won plenty of trophies, not so good for those who want something to show for it.

DannyS · Post by **DannyS** » Tue Jan 01, 2013 5:07 pm

Personally, I'm more than happy to come home with a badge. I don' t want anything more.

Razer · Post by **Razer** » Tue Jan 01, 2013 5:58 pm

There are a lot of new shooters who have yet to win anything, so to pay your entry fee and win a stage, which returns only a small portion of the cash outlay, is not much of an incentive.
If you have so many trophies that you prefer a cash payout, then it could be an option, and I believe that some OPM's reduce entry fees for those who do not want a trophy.
A single range badge to a new shooter is worth it's weight in gold and a great encouragement to stay in the sport.

But! this is all off topic.

Thank you Geoff for your years of unpaid dedication as web master for the NRAA. There have been times of immense difficulties that you have ploughed through in those seven years and your selfless contribution has, and will not, go unnoticed. =D>

DannyS · Post by **DannyS** » Tue Jan 01, 2013 6:03 pm

Sorry I know we went off topic, well said Razer, thanks Geoff.

Post by **AlanF** » Tue Jan 01, 2013 6:53 pm

I'll third Razer's comments. Thanks Geoff. The sport needs more like you.

DaveMc · Post by **DaveMc** » Wed Jan 02, 2013 10:08 am

Yes thank you Geoff. It has been a difficult and thankless job and we greatly appreciate your efforts over the years.
=D>

Bindi2 · Post by **Bindi2** » Wed Jan 02, 2013 10:36 am

You all missed the point i do not want anything nothing. Am happy to pay the entry fees just to shoot. I know there are fixed costs to cover and a profit for the orginizers happy with that. Know about new shooters and others that like to have trophies thats OK. Some people dont want to be a proffessional sport person either.
I dont have a problem with rankings and the reason behind them.
I just want to shoot.

DannyS · Post by **DannyS** » Wed Jan 02, 2013 11:00 am

Hi Bindi2.

A Prize Meeting without a Prize would just be a Meeting :lol:

Cheers
Danny

Post by **AlanF** » Wed Jan 02, 2013 11:17 am

Bindi2 wrote:You all missed the point i do not want anything nothing. Am happy to pay the entry fees just to shoot. I know there are fixed costs to cover and a profit for the orginizers happy with that. Know about new shooters and others that like to have trophies thats OK. Some people dont want to be a proffessional sport person either.
I dont have a problem with rankings and the reason behind them.
I just want to shoot.

I think I can see your point of view. We have club shooting most Saturdays, and some of our members only shoot there and don't go to prize meetings. We still have a competition but no trophies. If you enjoy going to prize meetings but don't want trophies, then with monetary or other prizes you can donate them back - its done quite often. Badges and medallions are usually made to order and you'll just have to accept them. I think you'll find most shooters are trying to win a badge - and I know if we stopped giving range win medallions at our OPM we'd lose a good number of regular attendees. How about just firing a shot on the wrong target each range? - that'll solve your problem

.

Alan

Lynn Otto · Post by **Lynn Otto** » Wed Jan 02, 2013 11:43 am

AlanF wrote:How about just firing a shot on the wrong target each range? - that'll solve your problem .

Alan

Shame on you Alan, it may solve the problem but do you realise how disrupting a cross fire is to the person who's target receives that shot... :evil:

Rankings

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NSW F Class Std Grading