ADI Powders

bsouthernau · Post by **bsouthernau** » Tue Jan 21, 2014 12:15 pm

Does anyone have a 2nd and/or 3rd edition ADI Handloaders' Guide? I have an undated one which I assume is the original together with the 4th 5th and 6th editions. I've just come across a document which refers to four powders which don't appear in any of these - AR2210H AR2208H AR2214 & AR2211. Do they exist? Have they existed?

Yours in supplication

Barry

Gadget · Post by **Gadget** » Tue Jan 21, 2014 2:07 pm

Link worked at 15:03 today 21.1 14
http://worldtracker.org/index.php/?opti ... 202000.pdf

I can only see the AR2214 in the 2000 edition, if you have trouble with the link send me a hoy as I managed to download it.
Gadget

IanP · Post by **IanP** » Tue Jan 21, 2014 5:48 pm

Barry, download the pdf file from here: http://www.adi-powders.com.au/handloaders-guide/
I think the powders you are looking for are obsolete!
It looks like 2004 was the last reference I can find to these powders but they did once exist. http://www.t2ammo.com/data/_uploaded/fi ... 0Chart.pdf

Ian

bruce moulds · Post by **bruce moulds** » Tue Jan 21, 2014 7:46 pm

I know 2214 is obsolete.
it is very slow, more slow than 2217, and was suited to the 7stw with heavy bullets.
keep safe,
bruce.

Seddo · Post by **Seddo** » Tue Jan 21, 2014 10:40 pm

2214 looks like it was replaced with 2225 (slightly slower) going by the line up

bsouthernau · Post by **bsouthernau** » Wed Jan 22, 2014 9:12 am

Thanks all.

Fergus Bailey · Post by **Fergus Bailey** » Wed Jan 22, 2014 10:19 am

AR2214 was discontinued around 2001 (give or take a year). I still have a couple of canisters if you are really keen to try it.

Dave P · Post by **Dave P** » Wed Jan 22, 2014 11:49 am

AR2214 was replaced by AR 2213 which was subsequently replaced by AR2213SC.
SO AR2213SC data would be fine to develop a starting load from allowing for a below maximum load.

bruce moulds · Post by **bruce moulds** » Wed Jan 22, 2014 5:43 pm

2214 was not replaced by 2213. they were available at the same time.
2213 had a similar burning rate to imr 4831, and it was replaced by 2213sc which is slower, like h4831.
the old 2213 and imr 4832 were ideal for the 280 rem, and it is sad that they have gone.
in bigger cases the difference in max loads between 2213sc and 2214 can be in the order of 10 gn, so be very careful extrapolating here.
keep safe,
bruce.

Dave P · Post by **Dave P** » Wed Jan 22, 2014 10:35 pm

ADI AR2213(Discontinued)
Its burning rate is in between that of IMR 4831 and H4831 with similar bulk density but better metering characteristics with standard powder loaders.

ADI2213SC
ADI produces AR2213SC for the North American reloading market in much higher quantities than AR2213. AR2213SC is in regular production and ADI will be in a better position to guarantee supply. AR2213SC is repackaged and distributed by Hodgdon Powder Co. in the USunder the brand name of “Hodgdon H4831SC.” ADI also produce AR2213H for Hodgdon, being “Hodgdon H4831” in North America and Europe. AR2213SC and AR2213H have the same burning rate and bulk density (charge weights), but AR2213SC has improved metering characteristics through a shorter cut length of grain.

ADI2214 (Discontinued)
A fine grained, very slow burning rifle powder with specialised applications for some largemagnum cartridges. Its burning rate is about 10% below that of AR2213 (a few percent belowthat of IMR 7828).

ADI2217(Coming soon)
A fine grained, very slow burning rifle powder, suited for use in most large calibre magnums.Its burning rate is about 5% faster than AR2214.

2213 was definately replaced by 2213SC. I recall having to use 2213 when 2214 discontinued .... 2217 was not released until after 2213SC came to the market. It could simply be that 2213 was still available in stores when 2214 was already all gone.

BRETT B · Post by **BRETT B** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 1:20 am

2214 was a very slow powder and was double based!!! It worked well in 300W Mag 1000yd guns and velocity was brilliant. Awsome accuracy Too!! There was a big gap between 2214 and the old 2213 , 2213 was very close to 2209 at the time. The powders were a lot blacker back then too ( I still have lots here) but when the deal with Hogden was done they discontinued some and made some new ones to closely match the old Hogden burn Rates as the bulk of it was going to the US. I remember when the new batch came out and 2209 had changed to a larger Kernal size and was quite a bit faster burning than what we have now!!!

Post by **AlanF** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 8:08 am

Keep this up and I might start reminiscing about H570 and 5010 :shock:

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johnk · Post by **johnk** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 8:55 am

BLC-2. Now, there was a powder.

Fergus Bailey · Post by **Fergus Bailey** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 10:11 am

As noted above, 2214 was significantly slower than 2213. AR2214 was reformulated into what is now Retumbo / AR2225, which is why 2214 was discontinued by ADI.

2214 was never replaced by 2213, but there was a period when 2214 was discontinued, but before 2225 was released, when 2213 and 2218 were the only slower powders in the ADI line-up. So there was a period when those reloading some of the bigger cases had to choose between a powder that was a bit fast (2213) or a powder that was a bit slow (2218).

bsouthernau · Post by **bsouthernau** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 12:55 pm

Fergus Bailey wrote:AR2214 was discontinued around 2001 (give or take a year). I still have a couple of canisters if you are really keen to try it.

Thanks Fergus but I was interested in the history rather than using these.

Barry

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