FNH SPR in 308W powder?

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FNH SPR in 308W powder?

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I'm interested to hear some comments regarding a shooter using a FNH SPR A3G with a 24" long 1:12" barrel chambered in factory 308W.

Accuracy results with the following have been described as satisfactory using a fixed 0.010" jump:
  1. 46gr of AR2209 & 155gr SMK; and
  2. 42gr of AR2208 & 168gr AMax

Accuracy goes off with the SMK load at 45.5gr and 46.5gr of AR2209, is this a reasonable window?

Can't find a consistently accurate load using 5-shot groups in 0.5gr increments going from ADI min to max, with SMK's using AR2206H or AR2208.

All things being equal, the cowboy in me says that FNH have chambered the SPR to suit the Federal Gold Medal factory ammo using the 168gr SMK or something like that?

AR2209 seems like an odd preference, so I was thinking there is harmonics issue going on with the 24" barrel and profile not generating enough MV to get to a node closer to max 308W pressures? Has anyone experienced something similar?
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Re: FNH SPR in 308W powder?

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Try BM 8208
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mike H wrote:Try BM 8208


The shooter might still have some BM 8208 on hand, but faster powders didn't seem to be producing improvements. He is using Lapua cases and the standard Federal LR primer. Struggling to find GM Federal LR primers in TAS at the moment apparently.

Dies include a Redding Competition Micrometer Seater, but I've recommend installing the VLD stem. It was interesting to see that Redding has warning against using compressed loads with their Competition Micrometer Seater. Is that something to do with the stem floating on a pocket of air?
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How about contacting the importing company,via the dealer selling the rifle and try and establish what ammunition they recommend .The whole thing seems rather strange.
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Best groups from projectile A with various powder loads, groups shot at 100y squares are 1".
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Hi Aaron, 42gr of 2208 for 168 amax load seems light on. I've had good luck with 44gr of 2208 behind a 168 amax pill in all of my 308's. Had 4 Fps spread and jammed the projectile 2730 Fps 26" barrel. This is actually a very good lr hunting load with brilliant terminal ballistics . Also just my opinion , looking at the targets there seems to be a bedding issue or the barrel is walking under heat! Hope this helps. Maybe Wilandia can shead more light !
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plumbs7 wrote:Hi Aaron, 42gr of 2208 for 168 amax load seems light on. I've had good luck with 44gr of 2208 behind a 168 amax pill in all of my 308's. Had 4 Fps spread and jammed the projectile 2730 Fps 26" barrel. This is actually a very good lr hunting load with brilliant terminal ballistics . Also just my opinion , looking at the targets there seems to be a bedding issue or the barrel is walking under heat! Hope this helps. Maybe Wilandia can shead more light !
Regards GS .


Thanks GS!

They do seem to string along a plane? Apparently the SPR A3G version is factory bedded and uses a chrome lined bore:

The FN SPR™ A3G has been selected by the FBI as one of their tactical precision rifles. The A3G offers Controlled Round Feed, blade ejection, the original Model 70-type two lever trigger and a three-position safety. Chambered in 308 Win., the A3G features a cold hammer-forged MIL-SPEC fluted barrel with hard-chromed bore and is held to +/- .001" headspace to produce and maintain a sub-half minute-of-angle (sub-½ MOA ) accuracy standard at 100 yards, making it ideal for long-range target shooting and competition. The forged steel action is hand-bedded with Marine-Tex® epoxy into a fully-adjustable McMillan™ A3 fiberglass tactical stock that is equipped with multiple steel sling studs.
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Yeah have to agree. Split groups and stringing would make re bedding a priority.
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Here are a few better sized groups with the Sierra's, but for my mind stringing still seems to be evident.

Maybe a skim bed over the a roughing up of the factory original with some attention around the FNH integrated recoil lug and watching action screw torques?

Is there some sort of marking material/paint you can use to see if you have proper fit and contact of your bedding material?

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Hi Aaron , I'm a plumber ! So this advice is coming from no engineering background!However, many years ago when I was doing a engineering pre-vocational coarse for fitting and turning. We use a dye toothpaste like stuff to tell if we had filed down our piece of metal flat and square! It was a dark blue stuff that got all over ur clothes!

IMO , most factory bedding jobs a re poor. As u said earlier , re-bed it and I thinks it's 50 inch pounds on the recoil lug and 25 inch pounds on the rear tang screw!

In the past I've used Devon for bedding and white shoe polish as a release agent and play dough to fill up the holes. Worked well in my factory savage hspfcp. I'm sad that I had to sell it to fund a full on f class rifle !

Something else that I notice is that the loads stated are way down in the real slow area of the accuracy node , which to me is saying I don't like any pressure at all! Yep still sticking to my first comment if bedding and maybe poor barrel ( eg walking of poi as it heats up!)
Good luck let us know how u go after bedding etc.
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That's a LOT better!

Putting a skim bed over a suspect foundation could be asking for problems (collapse) down the track. Pillar bed it in devcon and know you can put that out of your mind.
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plumbs7 wrote:Hi Aaron , I'm a plumber ! So this advice is coming from no engineering background!However, many years ago when I was doing a engineering pre-vocational coarse for fitting and turning. We use a dye toothpaste like stuff to tell if we had filed down our piece of metal flat and square! It was a dark blue stuff that got all over ur clothes!


Is that the old prussian blue? When I did my bachelor of engineering at QUT they actually made do a few one day lectures/practicals in the engineering workshop at Gardens Point - welding, castings, machining etc. First one was hand cutting (hacksaw) and filing a 100mm set-square by hand out of some 4 or 5mm mild-steel plate. They did let us use a drill bit and press to relief the corner notch. We had to check the fit and prussian blue was use to mark to mark the high points. The were more than a couple in the class that only finished in the 3hrs we had let alone start the manual lathe job. Workshop supervisor told us this series of practicals was added to the course to stop engineers specifying tight tolerances for simple parts without some appreciation for the labour time and skill required achieve those tolerances. I still have the set-square in my tool box somewhere I think?

IMO , most factory bedding jobs a re poor. As u said earlier , re-bed it and I thinks it's 50 inch pounds on the recoil lug and 25 inch pounds on the rear tang screw!

In the past I've used Devon for bedding and white shoe polish as a release agent and play dough to fill up the holes. Worked well in my factory savage hspfcp. I'm sad that I had to sell it to fund a full on f class rifle !

Something else that I notice is that the loads stated are way down in the real slow area of the accuracy node , which to me is saying I don't like any pressure at all! Yep still sticking to my first comment if bedding and maybe poor barrel ( eg walking of poi as it heats up!)
Good luck let us know how u go after bedding etc.
Regards Graham.


The more I read - http://www.snipercentral.com/fnspr.phtml the more I think FNH might have been a bit ambitious about their sub-1/2 MOA claim.

I agree with the loads possibly only able to reach the 2nd-top accuracy node, some chronograph readings would be preferable among other information. I also suspect there is a reasonable magazine restriction on overall length, but the chamber is relatively short-throated to work with 308W SAAMI OAL tolerances.

I've passed on the feedback to the owner and suggested he ask FNH to answer their sub-1/2MOA claim before tinkering himself or with a gunsmith. Either way I'll be interested in the results.
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BATattack wrote:That's a LOT better!

Putting a skim bed over a suspect foundation could be asking for problems (collapse) down the track. Pillar bed it in devcon and know you can put that out of your mind.


Would skimming still be okay though if you're just looking at a contact problem. Not a collapsed/sponge bedding issue specifically, or are there possible adhesion (compatibility) issues if he doesn't use the same Marine-Tex® epoxy bedding compound?

Those SPR A3G's aren't cheap and having to re-bed & pillar certainly wouldn't leave a nice taste in my mouth. For the money it certainly keeps me steered towards custom assembled rifles by professional gunsmiths.
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If you rough it up with a dremel it should adhere fine and will probably solve any contact issues but if the foundation under that thin layer isn't sound it might not last as long as a full bedding job.

Your rite that FHN should warrant it without having to do modifications and it does make you realize the value of quality you can get with a full custom.
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